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China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by albertopv »

moose_man wrote: post #2

"China is estimated to hold an about 84% share of the global market in neodymium magnets and an over 90% interest in samarium cobalt magnets. Japan, meanwhile, has about 15% of the neodymium magnet market and a less-than-10% share of that for samarium cobalt. If China bans the export of such technologies, it would be difficult for the United States and Europe, which do not traditionally manufacture rare earth magnets…

China is a net exporter to EU, let's ban all chinese goods and let's see, short term pain for long term gain.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #146
nonethewiser wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain.

> Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain. We’re much closer than we were 20 years ago. Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine; nor that Xi would be foolish enough to scare away Taiwan by muscling in on Hong Kong. Unless the CCP forces Xi out, their hardliners and the middle-kingdom mindset have al…

You are making a bunch of statements that virtually nobody who has paid attention to either scenario would agree with.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by medo-bear »

prottog wrote: post #179
medo-bear wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

about 20 years ago i asked an old commie (proper commie, with portraits of marx engels lenin proudly hung on the wall and a library to show) what he thinks of china. his response stuck with me to this day in china you don't have socialism. what you have in china is a market for head-nooses and western capitalists are the main customer. it's absolutely genius!

The quote "Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." has been attributed to various Marxists over the decades.

china seems to have put it into praxis

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by insane_dreamer »

dmix wrote: post #95
insane_dreamer wrote: post #80

China long-term strategizes while the US often twiddles its thumbs and belatedly responds (it's waking up with the export controls on chip manufacturing tech, but it should have done that a decade ago).

Why should the US instigate trade wars so hard? Why not be pro-free trade as possible (even if it's imbalanced) while investing heavily in their own self-reliance. That sounds more win-win to me than throwing gasoline on the fire when there's little practical self-realiance replacements in the near term without bigger consequences than the alternative. It's a dangerous game to play without substantial and subsequent…

> should the US instigate trade wars so hard

I'm not suggesting instigation; China has been playing hardball for a long time now.

> without substantial and subsequent investment domestically and among closer partner countries in stuff like manufacturing and mining

this is what China is willing to do but the U.S. isn't (until very recently), which has put the U.S. at a huge disadvantage

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by mullingitover »

nonethewiser wrote: post #153
mullingitover wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I learned recently was that when the Kuomintang fled to Taiwan, they took a vast trove of priceless Chinese antiquities with them. This has long been a sore spot for China, which makes the desire to annex Taiwan not simply a dollars and cents tactical goal but also a matter of national pride. It's like if we had a right-wing revolution in the US, and the current national government fled to Nova Scotia with…

Not sure your analogy works, since it’s the right that is so insistent on preserving cultural artifacts while the left is the side with people actively destroying them. It’s also no coincidence. The CCP did the same thing.

> the left is the side with people actively destroying them

I was just in Central Park in NYC and there was a huge golden Civil War statue that was completely unmolested, and it's sitting smack in the middle of a very liberal city. General Sherman is very safe from liberals. I'm sure John Brown statues would be as well. Maybe it's not all the cultural artifacts, but only certain ones and the very specific things they represent?

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by dragonwriter »

nobodyandproud wrote: post #146
nonethewiser wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain.

> Where are we exactly? Your prediction has not been proven correct. Even as much as things are escalating, war does not appear imminent nor certain. We’re much closer than we were 20 years ago. Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine; nor that Xi would be foolish enough to scare away Taiwan by muscling in on Hong Kong. Unless the CCP forces Xi out, their hardliners and the middle-kingdom mindset have al…

> Nobody believed Russia would actually invade Ukraine

Plenty of people believed that Russia would launch a major invasion as part of their war with Ukraine launched in 2014. As a general concern it was raised many times by many people during the period after 2014, and that went into overdrive in the months before the actual invasion.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by dragonwriter »

nonethewiser wrote: post #153
mullingitover wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I learned recently was that when the Kuomintang fled to Taiwan, they took a vast trove of priceless Chinese antiquities with them. This has long been a sore spot for China, which makes the desire to annex Taiwan not simply a dollars and cents tactical goal but also a matter of national pride. It's like if we had a right-wing revolution in the US, and the current national government fled to Nova Scotia with…

Not sure your analogy works, since it’s the right that is so insistent on preserving cultural artifacts while the left is the side with people actively destroying them. It’s also no coincidence. The CCP did the same thing.

> it’s the right that is so insistent on preserving cultural artifacts while the left is the side with people actively destroying them

I dunno, right-wingers seemed just as happy, or more, with the statue of Saddam Hussein being toppled as anyone else.

If you mean specifically monuments to slavery, slavers, and the Confederate States of America, sure, the Right is eager to protect those and the left opposed, but for neither side is that about “cultural artifacts” as a broad class.

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by ramblenode »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #79
sohex wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does China actually stand to gain by invading Taiwan? Any kind of real analysis based in anything other than nationalistic fervor or fear mongering seems to indicate that they're better served by the status quo.

This is the wrong question. The right question is: what does the leader of china gain by ordering an invasion of Taiwan?

This framing is incorrect. The official position of the PRC since its inception has been that Taiwan and the mainland are the same country. Reunification was always the plan of the CCP. Reuinification remains popular in the mainland. While few Taiwanese desire full reuinfication, a similarly small percent want to formally declare independence, indicating that both sides still see themselves as part of an abstract Chinese cultural nation.

https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-inde...

Re: China plans to ban exports of rare earth magnet tech

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Post by MrPatan »

sohex wrote: post #46
causi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not normal decoupling, we're in a full on economic war. In the short term that's terrible. In the long term, pain now will help minimize pain later when China invade Taiwan and US-China trade drops to zero overnight. It's coming sooner or later and the longer you leave your investments in China the more you risk the door slamming shut on your hand.

What does China actually stand to gain by invading Taiwan? Any kind of real analysis based in anything other than nationalistic fervor or fear mongering seems to indicate that they're better served by the status quo.

Now do Russia and Ukraine
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