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Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Post by _8j50 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 2:43 AM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #239

_8j50 wrote: post #229

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250k in the bay area with family is ok but it isn't great. You can live on it but people want nice houses and schools for their kids,etc... so I get where they're coming from. Even for the single people they wanna retire early or whatever. Everyone has different goals I guess

" but people want nice houses and schools for their kids,etc... Where they're coming from is greed. We don't need to indulge this nonsense. What if I told you I'm barely scraping by on $5 million TC because hey, do you know how much private jets cost? I can't even buy one outright, you know? I have to lease mine on a time share. It's absolutely embarrassing. My kids get made fun of when I drop them off in Geneva for…

> Where they're coming from is greed

Is it? I think having more money than you can spend might be greed but simply getting the best things for yourself isn't. Being rich and being greedy are not the same thing. No problem with having all your needs met. As of like 3-5yrs ago, you needed $7mil to be rich in the US. If you live off 50k/yr you need 35yrs to save up 7mil (without talking about inflation or bay area cost of living). I can see calling billionaires or even people with 10M+ just sitting their in their portfolio and assets greedy but this isn't the 90s, 250k is a lot but not in the bay area in 2023, it would be middle-middle class income, you need 150k more as a household income imo to be anywhere near upper middle class im costal cali.

As for your last paragraph? So what? Do you know what you sound like to someone in africa who lost 3 kids to starvation and has never slept on a bed or eaten meat in years and lost family to preventable disease because the nearest medical care is days away and they have to carry clean water in a bucket from a dirty drying river a dozen miles away everyday? Flipping burgers at mcdonalds is rich for that guy.

Also you mentioned being made of and embarrasing. That's not what I mean, I mean actual best schools and colleges. Safe neighborhoods and good houses with a large enough backyard for kids to play around in and have large pets. Affording good healthcare without relying on insurance claims being approved. Buying your parents and spouses' parents their own place and affording their healthcare. Even in the 90s middleclass families afforded yearly vacations and once every few years international vacation. Not having to burden your kids financially in case you get sick or when you get old. Heck, half marriages end because of money, improving those odds too. Kids not being forced to join the military to pay for college,etc...

I think perhaps you still have a 90s or pre 08 idea of how far money goes. You're not skiing in geneva with your family with 250k lol.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Post by Nextgrid » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 6:25 PM UTC

SilverBirch wrote: post #213

Nextgrid wrote: post #186

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> If you live to work then this job isn't for you, but it's quite a nice job if you're not that invested in it. Seems like that would attract bullshitters who deliver the minimum they can get away with, and given it's the government and there will be no (skilled) oversight, they will get away with it and the mediocrity feedback loop continues.

Actually it tends to be the opposite, it ends up filled with highly qualified experts in their fields who are happier with a good work-life balance. Because it's government everything moves very slowly and there is very limited scope for advancement (the government doesn't grow like a company, and there's no outside competition so you can't jump to new jobs as much) so it's not a good place for bullshitters to thrive…

I'm not sure this would apply to the near-poverty-level salary talked about here? It's one thing to give up the top-level salary for a smaller-but-still-comfortable one, but the one we're talking here is absolutely terrible (lookup taxes and the cost of living and housing especially in London)?

I'd expect only those who really have nowhere else to go to settle for this, which again implies lack of skill.

> if you get found out as a bullshitter no one will tkae you seriously

Unless everyone is a similar bullshitter, or you play the (office?) politics game properly to compensate for your lack of skill. If bullshitters were universally discredited everywhere like you say, politics as a job would disappear overnight.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Post by airpoint » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 4:13 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #206

airpoint wrote: post #184

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Most of Croydons reputation is down to crime rate mate. Overall third highest in London and especially significant and growing in the violence against the person category.

In addition to my other reply, what's your source for the crime rate? This [1] and this [2] suggests Croydon is about halfway down the borough list per capita, with matched better what I remember from looking at Met numbers in the past. Croydon is the second most populous London borough, so in absolute number of crimes it is usually high up the list, but per capita it's for a long time been pretty much middle of the…

Same stats, different angle. It can be explained both ways.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Post by airpoint » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #187

airpoint wrote: post #184

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Most of Croydons reputation is down to crime rate mate. Overall third highest in London and especially significant and growing in the violence against the person category.

And again: Mostly in areas most people in Croydon don't frequent. Croydon is large, and ranges from leafy suburbs with private roads and mansions to run down estates.

You are right on this one. TIL how big Croydon actually is! Thanks!

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Post by ForHackernews » Mon, Apr 10, 2023, 11:05 AM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #241

ForHackernews wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" but people want nice houses and schools for their kids,etc... Where they're coming from is greed. We don't need to indulge this nonsense. What if I told you I'm barely scraping by on $5 million TC because hey, do you know how much private jets cost? I can't even buy one outright, you know? I have to lease mine on a time share. It's absolutely embarrassing. My kids get made fun of when I drop them off in Geneva for…

> Where they're coming from is greed Is it? I think having more money than you can spend might be greed but simply getting the best things for yourself isn't. Being rich and being greedy are not the same thing. No problem with having all your needs met. As of like 3-5yrs ago, you needed $7mil to be rich in the US. If you live off 50k/yr you need 35yrs to save up 7mil (without talking about inflation or bay area cost…

> simply getting the best things for yourself

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on semantics, then, because this statement is close to my dictionary definition of greedy.

> You're not skiing in geneva with your family with 250k lol.

No shit. I'm following your logic to its inevitable conclusion. You think that guy making $5 MM per annum is greedy, but he thinks he's just a regular dude barely scraping by leasing a private jet.

To your point, yes, it's all relative, I just think wealthy techies are wildly out of touch with reality. You think you're the poor, struggling 65th percentile, but you're really closer to the 1% – it's just that you compare yourself to your 0.01% billionaire masters, so you don't "feel" rich.

Listen to yourself: "actual best schools and colleges. Safe neighborhoods and good houses with a large enough backyard for kids to play around in and have large pets"

As though you need to make a quarter million dollars a year for this? Either move to Iowa, or have the grace and self-awareness to shut up forever.