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UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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The answer is much simpler, it's simply not a high power job. It's an inflated job title for the person in the IT department who leads a team of 2 people focused on cyber security. It reports into the IT department (which obviously at the treasury isn't really an important department), and is several levels away from senior leadership. In the private sector this role would be the most junior level of management- some…

I think the problem is that it is still a high skill job. You are not going to get a PHP developer for that price, much less a cybersecurity expert.

Pay is just low at lots of private companies in the U.K. You may not get a php developer who knows they could easily get more, but you might get someone who has spent their career at companies that somehow get away with paying much less.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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London based as well. You’d earn more in Pret-a-Manger. Wages always put me off gov jobs as well as the bureaucracy.

Do you have evidence for the Pret claim? I tried to look for some but did not find anything which suggested that it is true.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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140k is an incredible salary in the UK though, like top 0.1% at least. It's also hard to compare things 1:1 - since the NHS is "free" (via taxation), but it doesn't cover dentistry at all really whereas equivalent good US health insurances will do.

You're off but not by much, 1% earn over 183k, 2% earn over 128k and 3% earn over 104k meaning they were in the top 2% of income earners. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/percentile-points-f...

Also top deciles are concentrated in London / the south east so a lower %ile when you restrict to London

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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To where are you referring?

Uk - Britain is ceaselessly proud of it's NHS, and 10 years ago it was fine. I wiuld call in as a student complaining about a running nose and would get an appointment withing a day or two. In the past few years it fell off a cliff. Recently I called in about a serious infection and got told there are no appointment left this month. At all. It was the 2nd of March. Thr only way to get treatlent is to go to the accide…

> I wiuld call in as a student complaining about a running nose and would get an appointment withing a day or two.

Why? This seems like a waste and abuse of the appointment system.

> Recently I called in about a serious infection and got told there are no appointment left this month. At all. It was the 2nd of March.

Yes, because of people like you making useless appointments for nothing more than a cold or a sore finger.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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This has caused a bit of a stir because the UK hasn't quite understood the relative weakness of wage growth for the last 10 years. The culturally understood milestones of "high pay" 30/50k have also not increased with inflation. I get paid well for the UK - but I could triple or even quadruple my salary in the US/Australia. Combined with relatively high taxes (my marginal tax rate is 60%) - it isn't a great value pro…

The worst thing about it all is our healthcare is barely even a benefit anymore. You’d be more likely to find a leprechaun than get an appointment with a doctor and don’t get me started on dentistry.

Well it depends on which NHS you're talking about? Each country in the UK has their own NHS, some are much better than others.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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London based as well. You’d earn more in Pret-a-Manger. Wages always put me off gov jobs as well as the bureaucracy.

No it's not, read the full advert:

https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/index.cgi?SI...

Location

The post can be based in London (1 Horse Guards Road), Norwich (Rosebery Court) or Darlington (Feethams House).

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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£100k in the UK a top 10% wage for the country, but the wages in the UK are massively skewed towards London and the South East. As for the tax, we have progressive taxation in the UK. Earning £100k, you'd pay 0% on the first 12.5k, 25% on the next 70k or so, and 45% on the last 27.5k (numbers are from memory so they might be a little off). High wage earners are not giving up half their income in tax. That'd be silly.

Your numbers are way off. It's: Basic rate of 20% on earnings between £12,571 and £50,270. Higher Rate of 40% on earnings between £50,271 and £125,139. Additional Rate of 45% on earnings from £125,140. (this is from the tax year starting next week, it used to be £150k instead of £125k) You also gradually lose your tax-free allowance if you make over £100k so there's a weird dead zone in which your marginal rate is so…

That's for England and Wales. In Scotland it's different:

Personal Allowance Up to £12,570 0%

Starter rate £12,571 to £14,732 19%

Basic rate £14,733 to £25,688 20%

Intermediate rate £25,689 to £43,662 21%

Higher rate £43,663 to £150,000 41%

Top rate over £150,000 46%

Source: https://www.gov.uk/scottish-income-tax

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Your numbers are way off. It's: Basic rate of 20% on earnings between £12,571 and £50,270. Higher Rate of 40% on earnings between £50,271 and £125,139. Additional Rate of 45% on earnings from £125,140. (this is from the tax year starting next week, it used to be £150k instead of £125k) You also gradually lose your tax-free allowance if you make over £100k so there's a weird dead zone in which your marginal rate is so…

Are for those of us in Scotland, that 40% is 41% :/

Yes and kicks in at just over 43k :(

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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It's nice to imagine when you're not the one worrying about paying rent. I work in an interesting area (bioinformatics research) and as expected the pay is pretty dire to match. You do get the warm fuzzies now and again when strangers ask about your job, but the rest of the time is spent wondering if you should move into fintech so you don't have to worry about grocery prices.

Fair, but I'm also sick of hearing Facegoogs whining on this app (and Blind, and elsewhere) about how they're only barely scraping by on $250k and how could anyone ever live on $100k poverty wages. They have to do adtech to survive, don't you see?

250k in the bay area with family is ok but it isn't great. You can live on it but people want nice houses and schools for their kids,etc... so I get where they're coming from. Even for the single people they wanna retire early or whatever. Everyone has different goals I guess

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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I get a lot job offers in my LinkedIn inbox and newsletters from places like glass door as I like to keep my eye on the market. One thing I’ve been seeing a lot recently is salaries for dev roles steadily dropping in the UK. The concerning thing, in my opinion, is that the poster linked by OP seems disillusioned as to the standard of living in the UK. They specifically mention being paid £55k as being equivalent to $…

Where are you going to leave to?

My preference is the Netherlands but it is obviously a joint decision which needs to be made by both myself and my partner.

We are both working in tech so finding a job shouldn’t be an issue. She is an EU national by birth so automatically has the right to work and live there. I would need to jump through hoops as a result of the big B :/

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