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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by bronson »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #153
Bayart wrote: post #77

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>In fact, Russia made record profits last year. There was a lag between the jumps in prices and the move towards other sources than Russia. Russia is going to have massive budget issues from this year onwards. Saying that Europe is still a massive buyer of Russia gas and oil is simply false.

Do you have a source? I found that after start of the war imports doubled from Russia for gas and news try to hide this elephant in the room. Same with swift, they said that Russia was disconnected but it was just a publicity stunt and I personally sent wire to Russia via swift in usd to test and it did work. Don’t know which sources to trust but seems like they all lie

A fairly clear graph over time is halfway down the page: https://www.bbc.com/news/58888451

Yes, gas imports increased after Russia invaded (but did not double) because countries were topping up storage before inevitable disruptions. And I remember them talking openly about it, not as an elephant in the room.

(of course “LNG” is doing a lot of work in that graph since it probably contains some Russian gas but the trend is clear)

Do you have a source for your “Russia disconnected from Swift” claim? I can find reports of individual banks being disconnected but don’t see any credible source for that.

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Post by foverzar »

Ow wow, I expected this one would become like "FSB arrests children for blowing up buildings in Minecraft" as soon as the first details had started to surface, but never would have guessed it would hit HN.

PsyOps is strong, I see a few other people here bringing them up and getting mass downvoted.

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Post by jnsaff2 »

codedokode wrote: post #215
jnsaff2 wrote: post #152

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Sure is terrible, just weird that russians themselves just take it and don't stand up.

Good luck standing up against million of well armed, well paid and well trained national guards.

Iranian school girls do that.

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Post by lolinder »

esarbe wrote: post #16

Russia is slipping into totalitarianism more and more very day. But this did not happen over night; Putin and his cronies have been working towards this goal for more than 15 years now and the attack on Ukraine simply gave them all the excuses they needed to clamp down on the last dissenters. So painful

Russia never really got out of totalitarianism. They've had two brief windows where they looked like they might (post-revolution and post-collapse), but those were really just windows of pseudo-anarchy while the next totalitarian regime consolidated power.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #214
dukeofdoom wrote: post #187

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> Kids are too young to make life long decisions like this. Exactly, and that's why I think it's inconceivable that they should be prohibited from getting help from therapists and psychiatrists, which bills like this one try to prohibit. This is a serious decision in which children and their parents need support. Bills that seek to a) prevent children from accessing care based on peer-reviewed standards of care, b) s…

Just because something is accepted does not make it right. People had lobotomies routinely performed because it was an accepted practice by peer reviewed professionals. Orphan Children need to have their rights protected precisely because they've been routinely abused by people that have power over them. That includes being free from being pressured into getting medical procedures done to them which they are not old enough to consent to.

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Post by scottLobster »

codedokode wrote: post #203
scottLobster wrote: post #154

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Yeah, and I wouldn't want to live in the majority of the world. Judging by immigration patterns, most people who live in the majority of the world don't want to either. It's one reason Russia's having issues with the T-14 tank, not only are a lot of its parts imported from the West, but anyone in Russia smart enough to help build a tank has almost certainly left for the West where they can have a better standard of l…

People who actually develop tanks usually have restriction for going abroad for 5 or more years even after they leave they job because they know classified information. So I don't think that they left the country.

Perhaps for those who start the job. But if you're a Moscow State University engineering graduate, why would you even start when there are better available living situations? Sure maybe some stick around for familial/patriotic reasons, but most are going to leave for greener pastures.

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Post by orbital-decay »

jevgeni wrote: post #86
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #51

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I really wish this got more attention (but I guess Russian citizens receive zero sympathy these days, their political position notwithstanding). Maybe then we would see less of this tiresome bullshit from keyboard warriors from around the globe who blame ordinary citizens for being unwilling to throw themselves unarmed against a neo-Stalinist dictatorship that the West has supported for more than two decades. The EU…

First and foremost it was the russians who supported their government. russians were silent during Chechnya, during the Yukos case, after Putin's comments on Kursk widows, after killing of Politkovskaya, Nemtsov, and so on and so on. Look at any russian popular media in early 2000s and you will see a huge amount of really casual racism, with "Brat 2" being the pinnacle. Nobody spoke out against it. Just because they…

> russians were silent during Chechnya

Let me tell you how it actually was, first-hand - because you clearly got zero idea and seem to propagate the "we've always been at war with Eastasia" thing. So our family used to live in a small city/town (~10k pop) - everybody knew each other, and all that. A 18yo guy from a nearby house got conscripted and subsequently killed in that war. The next day his mother killed herself. Fast forward to 1996; Yeltsin (the autocrat who started that war) was running for his second term and organized a massive media campaign with rallies in every city and village. There was a pro-Yeltsin rally in our city as well, but the organizers had to literally run for their lives - everybody remembered that case. Two of them were hospitalized and taken into another city because even the medics refused them. Chechen war was everywhere, and Yeltsin had to promise to end it to even be taken seriously. Anybody who says otherwise got either no idea, no memory, or no honesty.

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

d23 wrote: post #209

How depressing it must be to have lived through the collapse of the soviet union, realize the magnitude of lies, see the hope of a new Russia, and then have to go through this.

> realize the magnitude of lies

Most of those born in USSR did not go through that realization. I am from KZ and it's the same here, if a bit more toned down (at least you don't see open praise for Stalin, probably because we were one of the main destinations for many deportations initiated by him: I grew up among many ethnic Germans and Chechens and such). It's one of the main reasons for what's been happening since the beginning of 2022, IMHO.

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