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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by brohee »

boeingUH60 wrote: post #139
codedokode wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legally there is no penalty for being against the war or against the government. Actually it is the opposite - calling for war or helping to start it might be illegal. The law punishes for spreading falseful information or discrediting use of armed forces in interests of Russia. For example, for falsefully claiming that special military operation against West-supported neo-nazis preparing an attack against Russia is…

> For example, for falsefully claiming that special military operation against West-supported neo-nazis preparing an attack against Russia is actually a war or that army allegedly attacks civilian buildings and infrastructure. Spotted: A true patriot repeating all the talking points from his lying government.

I read it as being tongue in cheek.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

varjag wrote: post #160
jacquesm wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true but it still is a Russian puppet state at present.

It's fluid. In the way late period fascist Italy could be called puppet state of Nazi Germany perhaps. But Belarusian dictator has his own distinct agenda and pursues it despite very limited choices which "puppet state" kinda glosses over.

Somewhere I could read more about Lukashenko's agenda?

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #156
stronglikedan wrote: post #138

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Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find suc…

This is all true, but the idea is that you’re supposed to place your political ideology above the evidence based plans of doctors.

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Post by lajosbacs »

robswc wrote: post #126

Nothing new. Family from Eastern Europe had to deal with this bs with communism. It was always the fear of neighbors “ratting you out” made everyone paranoid. You had to be on board or risked being “taken away.”

And it takes generations to forget. I spent only my infancy under communism, but through my parents this is ingrained in me. I am always very careful to voice my opinion and I care too much about what unknown ppl would think about me. Criminal regime

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by scottLobster »

medo-bear wrote: post #142
scottLobster wrote: post #129

Russians have never had any real individual rights. Throughout their history the common people have just been resources enslaved to brutal overlords. The Soviets were perhaps somewhat softer overlords on average, but the principle remains. The state will dispose of disobedient people the same way it would dispose of rotten potatoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZqBLcIvw0

perhaps. but russians were always dicks to themselves first. however, ask the american natives and the blacks what they think about individual rights in the us but then again, for sake of fairness, lest we forget that russia, as part of ussr, was a pioneer in workers, women and ethnic rights. so much so that during the 1920s if you were a trade unionist, a feminist or fighting for national liberation of your people y…

A key difference being that American society has evolved over the last 200 years to largely outgrow the cultural elements that produced those abuses. We fought a very bloody civil war to get rid of slavery, and black people/women have had the right to vote for some time. We're also not massacring Native American villages anymore. Not saying the problems are 100% solved, but no one can argue it's night and day compared to 100 years ago.

Putin by contrast is a return to a 19th century Tsardom in everything but name.

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Post by codedokode »

jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Many countries don't issue visas and residence permits to Russian due to sanctions, for example, it is difficult to get to EU. There are countries you can leave for, but there are no jobs or they are with low pay, Russian education certificates are not usable there. So you can escape, but how are you going to live there if you don't have money?

Of course if you are rich that is not a problem. For example, relatives of high-ranked officials are sometimes seen spending time in Europe, shopping or visiting resorts, financing the economy of NATO countries.

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Post by phatfish »

livinginfear wrote: post #101
tokai wrote: post #75

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Try following along instead of wrongly claiming scepticism towards something that is well documented.

Are you suggesting that I start blindly taking the mainstream media's reporting about war at good faith? Aren't there enough historic examples of how the American media establishment have been used to further American foreign policy objectives? I've always thought of myself as left-wing. I came of age in the 'War on Terror', and recall the collective skepticism of the American establishment. I remember the attitude o…

> I don't see this kind of skepticism anymore.

Everyone able to make a rational decision can see Russia are are the sole cause of this war. If Russia decided to leave Ukrainian territory tomorrow, the war would end tomorrow, and Ukrainians could get on with their lives in peace, and the stolen children hopefully get to go home.

This is the same as rational people being able to see that the United States was wrong to invade Iraq in the second Gulf War. Fake weapons of mass destruction. David Kelly the British scientist forced to lie by Tony Blair who goes on to commit suicide, it was a dark time.

The information I got about the Iraq war at the time was from the "mainstream media", by the way.

Just because the US (and the UK) was making bad decisions in Iraq 20 years ago doesn't mean they are making bad decisions in support of Ukraine now. The Russians would love you to think they are however.

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