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Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by simion314 »

livinginfear wrote: post #69

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It is correct, the Ruzzians do not deny it, they say it is a fair punishment.

They also do not deny they kidnaped children from Ukraine, they just say they had no choice and could not let the children there so the Ruzzian artillery kill them.

The article where a criminal liberated from Wagner killing someone back in his village is also true, there are Russian social media accounts that confirm it.

The latest fake video from FSB (ex KGB) in which Ruzzians pretend to be evil Ukrainian soldiers, is also confirmed by Ruzzians as false, they joke that FSB did a bad job this time and should do better next time.

There are teens imprisoned because the blew up an FSB building in Minecraft, Ruzzians admit this is correct but they claim the kids were planing in Minecraft terrorists attacks/

So if you are lazy a very good rule is , if is something from Ruzzia then assume is false, it is from West assume is true. In this way you will be less wrong then doing the reverse. If your life is on the line do not be lazy and do mroe research or wait a few days for more information to surface. The case in this article is weeks old.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by atemerev »

jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Any Russians on here to explain why dissenters wouldn’t work on leaving the country rather than token demonstrations like this?

Sure (I am Russian, emigrated in 2005, never been in Russia since 2014). Here are some of the actual reasons:

1) Immigration is hard. Particularly when you are not from a well-developed country with a powerful passport. You will live on a borrowed time, where the host country will invent reasons to deport you (to Russia, of course, where you most probably will be jailed in no time). I live in Switzerland for 18 years, and still on a temporary residence permit, as the Swiss government invents more and more creative laws and rules to deny me a permanent residence, not to mention citizenship, which is a pipe dream at this point.

2) Leaving your parents and elder relatives might not be something many people are ready for. In Russia, there is a strong notion that children are supposed to support their parents in the old age.

3) One misadventure with the Russian law (and many people from Russian opposition have a lot of them for their protests), and you can’t go out. You will be stopped at the border. The ability to exit the country is a privilege in Russia; not yet at the level it used to be in the USSR, but a privilege nonetheless.

4) Some heroic people think that they have to stay and fight, instead of quitting. It might be near impossible, but they have a reason.

Etc, etc. Those who could move out are really lucky. I am lucky, too.

Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by [deleted] »

foobarian wrote: post #68
xpe wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of explanation are you seeking? Are you looking for broad “reasons” why history has unfolded the way it did? What if Russia’s history is not improbable? What if “Western” {democracy + variants of capitalism + colonialism + etc} is actually more of a surprise, probabilistically? Have you read various commentaries that draw associations and even causal links between natural resources and history? For example,…

> What kind of explanation are you seeking? In this case, I am wondering if a culture other than the present would lead to different outcomes, and specifically wondering if there are significant after-effects of the long-ago Mongol domination. Of course it's near impossible to answer this with any scientific rigor, and I don't have much hope for it :) It seems that the communist takeover in 1918 was not an obvious "d…

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Re: Russia is persecuting dissenters by taking away their children

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Post by scottLobster »

Russians have never had any real individual rights. Throughout their history the common people have just been resources enslaved to brutal overlords. The Soviets were perhaps somewhat softer overlords on average, but the principle remains.

The state will dispose of disobedient people the same way it would dispose of rotten potatoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZqBLcIvw0

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