Google workers in London stage walkout over job cuts

Post by Freedom2 » Tue, Apr 04, 2023, 9:25 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #123

cmiles74 wrote: post #112

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I strongly disagree; my reduction in spending doesn't lead to job losses at any particular company. Perhaps if said company is providing such little service that many people choose to reduce their spending by all spending less on the same company, job losses would result. In this case we're talking about a lot of people at a pretty far remove from the employees being laid off. This is very different from what is happ…

Its the perfect comparison. Reduced spending on goods and services reduces revenues, which reduces profits and often leads to lay offs. Sure your individual decision to cancel Disney+ doesnt mean someone gets fired. But if you and 500,000 other subscribers cancel, people do get fired and you contributed to it.

Post by danpalmer » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 9:31 AM UTC

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> What were the specific list of proposals? The only one you mentioned (voluntary layoffs) is a bad idea because it leads the most talented people to leave. Roughly, voluntary redundancies, pay cuts, unpaid sabbaticals, job trades, and various other implementation details. They also presented a range of options for those at risk of, for example, deportation, including those at risk of deportation to face legal conseq…

Well all of those encourage the best people to leave. Why would Google want to keep everyone at the expense of their top talent?

Post by say_it_as_it_is » Wed, Apr 05, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #105

say_it_as_it_is wrote: post #35

And that's how you identify the next round of layoffs

I think this only scratches the surface. China has a social credit system. Who's to say that these major corporations do not have a employee rating system? Speak out about layoffs? Your rating goes down. Agree to come back to the office? Your rating goes up. How much longer before these types of internal valuations work their way into a database for other companies can see? Take it one step further: what if you apply…

Post by pjmorris » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 8:25 PM UTC

throwayayes_2 wrote: post #194

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> And contrary to reason, all the advanced social benefits somehow end up being a vine strangling your ability to compete than the ideal that frees you from worrying about basic needs in pursuit of higher goals. It's like the AI alignment problem, but between corporations and people.

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Post by pyrale » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 1:21 PM UTC

brap wrote: post #70

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There's a short-term effect there that might be positive, but a long-term effect that would be negative. There's a reason that a lot of companies won't hire in France or other specific locales where the difficulty in getting out of an employment relationship is so high that it makes it undesirable to get into that relationship in the first place.

Bingo. Google wasn’t able to layoff anyone in France. What a great win, right? Well. Once they decide they need to close off a site, where do you think France will be on that list? Or if things are going good and they want to hire an additional 5K engineers, do you think France is a good candidate? All of this ultimately leads to fewer jobs and lower wages. Just look at tech wages in France. When you sabotage doing b…