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Post by rozal »

romwell wrote: post #247
rozal wrote: post #173

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Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related. Methamphetamine is actually a derivative of amphetamine. So - you're wrong. And with that stupid insult you added at the end, you look even dumber.

>Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related. So are ethanol (vodka) and methanol (poisonous fuel). The difference is exactly the same - one methyl group (CH3). If you think that it's a small difference, try drinking methanol instead of alcohol, and see for yourself. (Or, rather, not see for yourself, given the side effects of methanol poisoning).

Prolonged use of amphetamines can lead to addiction, psychosis, cardiovascular problems, and other serious health issues.

This is the bottom line. It’s a drug, it’s not good for you. That euphoria is not treatment, your being drugged. Only addicts defend long term use

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Post by callalex »

rozal wrote: post #261
romwell wrote: post #247

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>Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related. So are ethanol (vodka) and methanol (poisonous fuel). The difference is exactly the same - one methyl group (CH3). If you think that it's a small difference, try drinking methanol instead of alcohol, and see for yourself. (Or, rather, not see for yourself, given the side effects of methanol poisoning).

Prolonged use of amphetamines can lead to addiction, psychosis, cardiovascular problems, and other serious health issues. This is the bottom line. It’s a drug, it’s not good for you. That euphoria is not treatment, your being drugged. Only addicts defend long term use

Would you say that amputees are addicted to using a chair? Or do you think that would be a bigoted thing to say?

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Post by rozal »

callalex wrote: post #262
rozal wrote: post #261

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Prolonged use of amphetamines can lead to addiction, psychosis, cardiovascular problems, and other serious health issues. This is the bottom line. It’s a drug, it’s not good for you. That euphoria is not treatment, your being drugged. Only addicts defend long term use

Would you say that amputees are addicted to using a chair? Or do you think that would be a bigoted thing to say?

A chair doesn't drug you and put you into psychosis. Not even the good kind of drug either.

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

romwell wrote: post #220
rozal wrote: post #118

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Stop taking it. I’ve been diagnosed three times. At ages 6 , 18, and 23. Taking every drug. Adderall, vyvance, strattera, etc. The diagnosing is hogwash. There isn’t a scientific test. All ‘psychiatrists’ do is take you in for a visit or two, listen to your story, and write you the prescription. I used to be ‘unable to focus’, and took pills for it. I even see people addicted to them to the point they take sleeping m…

>The diagnosing is hogwash No. Hogwash is what your comment is. Please stop spreading this falsehood. My name is Roman Kogan, and I have ADHD[1]. [1] https://romankogan.net/adhd

i had no idea all of these things were related to adhd. i thought i was the only one struggling with them.

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Post by throwaway1851 »

drw85 wrote: post #200
sho wrote: post #184

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> Pain is a fact of life I see you have never been in any real pain, ever. What do you get for cancer in Germany? Still ibuprofen? There's a reason opioids exist and were such a revolution in medicine. They really work. Ibuprofen et al are fine for what they are, but anti-inflammatories can only do so much. We should be able to solve the over-prescribing and addiction issues as a society without throwing the baby out…

How familiar does the following sound to you? "I've had some back pain and got prescribed opiates, now i'm addicted" We're not talking about getting some opiates after surgery or severe and mostly rare things. Americans get opiates for all kinds of small inconveniences, like a wisdom tooth removal, or some back pain. Opiates don't heal or fix back pains. They just mask the symptoms and create a new problem. I've been…

I’ve had opiates for wisdom tooth extraction and a couple of relatively minor but very painful injuries. I was very glad to have them. They made the experiences much more bearable. I did not experience any addiction issues, and I’m glad that my access to these medications was not limited due to some people’s inability to handle them.

I really don’t think forcing needless suffering on everyone is the answer to this problem.

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Post by sterlind »

the_mar wrote: post #250
sterlind wrote: post #241

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as a counterexample, I had an infected tooth over the weekend. I took ibuprofen and acetaminophen around the clock, and it did jack shit. I was lying in bed and whimpering in pain, so close to going to the ER, but I knew they wouldn't do anything for me. I actually have mild PTSD about that incident. It was the second-worst pain I've experienced in my life, and it wouldn't stop.

Question 1: how much did you take? Question 2: what makes you think opioids treat infections?

1. 1000mg acetaminophen every 6 hours, 600mg ibuprofen every 4 hours.

2. I expect opioids treat the pain from infection. it was the weekend and I had to suffer through the weekend before seeing the dentist.

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Post by johnnyjeans »

rozal wrote: post #234
johnnyjeans wrote: post #215

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> Amphetamines and methamphetamine are closely related. In the field of biochemistry, this is virtually meaningless. A single substitution group is capable of producing wild changes in pharmacokinetics. The left and right-handed enantiomers of these molecules don't even act the same way in the body, and these aren't even positional isomers. The similarities with AMP and MAMP begin and end with being TAAR1 agonists. O…

Methamphetamine is not a substitution for amphetamine. A substitution refers to the replacement of one atom or group of atoms in a molecule with another atom or group of atoms. A derivative, on the other hand, refers to a molecule that is derived from another molecule by modifying its molecular structure. In the case of amphetamine and methamphetamine, methamphetamine is derived from amphetamine by adding a methyl gr…

Did you write this post with a chatbot?

> Methamphetamine is not a substitution for amphetamine.

I did not say it was a "substitution" which means something entirely different in this context, I said it was a substituted amphetamine. The rest of this comment reads like boilerplate drivel that completely ignores everything I actually wrote.

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Post by filoleg »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #195
hotpotamus wrote: post #99

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I've never had a problem getting pseudoephedrine, though it is behind the counter in a pharmacy these days. There are limits, but they are well over what I would consider a therapeutic dose. I don't know if that varies state-to-state, but I doubt it's a federal issue.

Pharmacists and pharmacy techs are given "training" on how to identify supposed fraudulent sales. e.g. if your hair is long or you otherwise look like a person who would manufacturer amphetamines (whatever that looks like) they won't sell it to you. So, congrats to you for looking like a fine upstanding person and not like a clandestine drugs manufacturer.

> Pharmacists and pharmacy techs are given "training" on how to identify supposed fraudulent sales. e.g. if your hair is long or you otherwise look like a person who would manufacturer amphetamines

I am sorry, what? Maybe I have just been lucky my entire life, but that has never been my experience. I used to have long hair for many years, and I haven't had a clean-shaven face in years. Dark circles under my eyes is a common thing. I also have ear piercings, and I dress in baggy non-assuming casual clothing most of the time. Not once was I ever questioned about or refused any behind the counter drugs at any of the pharmacies I've been to across multiple states. They do ask for an ID to purchase those behind the counter drugs, but I am pretty sure they are legally obligated to do it for everyone, due to the regulations that the thread is talking about.

Also, I believe you meant to say "methamphetamines". There is no illegal amphetamine manufacturing epidemic (and I am not aware of there ever being one), but there was a methamphetamine one.

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Post by rozal »

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #264
romwell wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The diagnosing is hogwash No. Hogwash is what your comment is. Please stop spreading this falsehood. My name is Roman Kogan, and I have ADHD[1]. [1] https://romankogan.net/adhd

i had no idea all of these things were related to adhd. i thought i was the only one struggling with them.

If you’re hungry when you wake up - you may have adhd!

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Post by operatingthetan »

romwell wrote: post #248
operatingthetan wrote: post #246

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You should know better than suggesting your anecdote is enough to prove a myth either way. Stimulants aren't magical medications that affect all ADHD people radically differently than neurotypicals. You are just experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact some people differently.

>You are just experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact some people differently. Yes, I am experiencing a very common phenomena where drugs impact the people with the condition the drug is prescribed for differently than those without it . Is is it so hard to make this leap?

I'm a person with diagnosed ADHD and I know a lot of people with ADHD and none of us experience that with stimulants. You're generalizing that all ADHD people experience the opposite effect, so I don't find your argument credible.

These drugs were not designed and created for ADHD. They were discovered separately. They alleviate some of the symptoms of ADHD, but it doesn't suddenly make you act and think like a neurotypical. You act and think like an ADHD person on speed. Also, a lot of people who take them have very positive and unrealistic beliefs about them because they are high on the drug.

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