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Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by kevviiinn »

Karunamon wrote: post #248
kevviiinn wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I mentioned in another comment, keeping coffee at a high temperature actually reduces the quality by speeding up chemical reactions that make it more bitter. Keeping it at a low temperature (around 50C) prevents this so your interpretation of how the temperature relates to quality is entirely backwards

That coffee does not exist in a vacuum. The temperature at which people want to drink it, and when, is part of this as well, probably even more important, and requiring reheating is the worst of all worlds. Also, you would likely be hard-pressed to tell the difference in bitterness given the relatively short maximum holding times (two hours in the steel urn, half an hour in the glass pot) and how much coffee the aver…

Are you actually suggesting that people want to drink coffee at near boiling temperatures

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by Karunamon »

kevviiinn wrote: post #251
Karunamon wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That coffee does not exist in a vacuum. The temperature at which people want to drink it, and when, is part of this as well, probably even more important, and requiring reheating is the worst of all worlds. Also, you would likely be hard-pressed to tell the difference in bitterness given the relatively short maximum holding times (two hours in the steel urn, half an hour in the glass pot) and how much coffee the aver…

Are you actually suggesting that people want to drink coffee at near boiling temperatures

I am suggesting that most people either do not drink the coffee immediately, instead relying on it to be just right by the time they get to home or work (most business at a McDonald's happens in the drive through), or they load it with chilled cream, which will decrease its temperature but not low enough to be objectionable, which it would noticeably be were the holding temperatures meaningfully decreased to the point where Stella would not have received third-degree burns.

Again: it should tell you something that they were not required to, nor did they, lower their holding temperature as a result of this.

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Post by tim333 »

random314 wrote: post #169
jeffparsons wrote: post #131

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It doesn't really need a citation at all. It's pretty standard for people to be considered as "founders" even if they weren't the first person to be involved in the first incarnation of a business. The only reason this particular instance got any attention is because of the lawsuit. If you're curious, pick a few companies at random and dig into their history. You might be surprised by how late some of their "founders…

Some one else abusing the term "founder" doesn't change anything. Musk was an investor who made himself CEO several years later.

Founded July 2003. Musk became chairman and largest shareholder Feb 2004.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

Ralfp wrote: post #162
alex_sf wrote: post #151

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The inability to self-regulate your emotions in response to what other people say is a behavior that you're supposed to outgrow sometime in middle school.

Telling member of systemically opressed group that they should „self-regulate their emotions to what other people say” is something that only person who never experienced what systemic opression really is could say.

We're in the age of self-assigned identity politics, isn't everyone a member of a systemically oppressd group?

Regardless, your race doesn't define you, your experiences do. Your experiences will vary as a black woman in Jamacia, the US, Russia and Egypt. Implying this person is "systemically opressed" is questionable at best.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by random314 »

tim333 wrote: post #253
random314 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some one else abusing the term "founder" doesn't change anything. Musk was an investor who made himself CEO several years later.

Founded July 2003. Musk became chairman and largest shareholder Feb 2004.

Calling Musk a founder would be the equivalent of calling Paul Graham an Airbnb cofounder.

He was an early investor in Tesla in February 2003 after the first employee had already been hired and the prototype car was already built off the Lotus.

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Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by kevviiinn »

Karunamon wrote: post #252
kevviiinn wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you actually suggesting that people want to drink coffee at near boiling temperatures

I am suggesting that most people either do not drink the coffee immediately, instead relying on it to be just right by the time they get to home or work (most business at a McDonald's happens in the drive through), or they load it with chilled cream, which will decrease its temperature but not low enough to be objectionable, which it would noticeably be were the holding temperatures meaningfully decreased to the poin…

Who sets those requirements? Because they are required to now, AFAIK the McDonald's corporation set a standard for temperature after the lawsuit

https://www.coffeedetective.com/what-is-the-correct-temperat...

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Post by onethought »

thebooktocome wrote: post #185
onethought wrote: post #177

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88 degrees makes sense… you boil water to make coffee… Also you can feel via the cup how hot.

As cousin comment points out, these were the days of styrofoam cups. They are far more efficient heat insulators than today’s standard paper cups. Typically people do not drink coffee at boiling temperature, for the reason that it would burn their mouths and tongues if they did. Perhaps instead of blaming the victim, you might try to sympathize. Third degree burns to the genitals would be life-destroying.

Not victim blaming. Point out when you order a drink made with boiling water. It’s boiling water.

I don’t think it’s the victims fault, nor do I think it’s McDonald’s fault. Seems hard for people to comprehend an ”accident”

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Post by onethought »

thebooktocome wrote: post #240
saiya-jin wrote: post #200

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Well these are well known facts to any kid who is beyond first experience with styrofoam cups, heck apart from appalling chemistry being leaked into drink, I do actually prefer cups that keep temperature longer when ordering drinks. That's the whole purpose if styrofoam here. Heck, there is whole business around thermal mugs for exactly this purpose. Same would be valid for standard tea - you start with cca 100C and…

Nobody drinks tea anywhere near 100C; that’s absurd. Ideal tea drinking temperature is between 57 and 65C, anything higher risks throat damage [1]. All but the blackest teas will fail to brew if held at 100C for the duration of steeping. [1] https://letsdrinktea.com/what-is-the-right-temperature-for-d...

You’re moving the goal posts. How many people boil water to make tea?

They pour it hot and they know it’s hot and they wait.

No one steeps tea in a kettle, so the “holding at 100c” is not relevant.

Re: Tesla ordered to pay more than $3M to former worker in racism suit

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Post by onethought »

throw0101a wrote: post #217
onethought wrote: post #177

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88 degrees makes sense… you boil water to make coffee… Also you can feel via the cup how hot.

> According to Dr. Fredericka Brown and Dr. Kenneth Diller, mechanical engineering professors at The University of Texas at Tyler, the optimal temperature range for serving hot beverages is between 125°F and 136°F. Their research shows that although there are varying preferences regarding the optimal temperature for beverage consumption, drinking a hot beverage outside of this range can negatively impact taste and ca…

So are you saying no one boils water to make coffee?
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