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Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#81
post #10

That seems like a good signal to track. Btw does anyone ever get hired from the who wants to be hired thread?

I got my current job via a post on Who's Hiring. The company is wonderful, and it turns out the past 3-4 newest engineers were also hired this way!

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#82
post #4

in 2019 it was about 0.32 First who wants to be hired https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7685170 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1350A5KGgmGI3Ed-tC7MP...

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Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seems like it wouldn't be too hard, just tedious, to compile all the data.

Fine, I'll start. These threads are easily found in Google. January 2020: 244 wants to be hired / 697 hiring = 35% February 2020: 227 / 677 = 34% March 2020: 349 / 776 = 45% April 2020: 521 / 601 = 87% May 2020: 329 / 686 = 48% June 2020: 305 / 659 = 46% July 2020: 280 / 680 = 41% August 2020: 410 / 828 = 50% September 2020: 346 / 698 = 50% October 2020: 295 / 810 = 36% November 2020: 259 / 807 = 32% December 2020: 2…

Date | Who is hiring? | Who wants to be hired | ratio

Jan 2019,966,265,0.27

Feb 2019,847,197,0.23

Mar 2019,880,246,0.27

Apr 2019,881,324,0.36

May 2019,1020,286,0.28

Jun 2019,800,232,0.29

Jul 2019,907,479,0.52

Aug 2019,861,284,0.32

Sep 2019,724,180,0.24

Oct 2019,905,406,0.44

Nov 2019,760,270,0.35

Dec 2019,907,271,0.29

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#85
post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs I would definitely not read that from the data. I don’t know what percentage of current seekers post in the wants-to-be-hired thread, but as a potentially-outlying anecdote, I didn’t until I had already been looking for three months. I would hypothesize that there’s a psychological barrier to posting in WWTBH, even if you’ve been laid off…

I wouldn't call it a psychological barrier so much as a game-theoretical one. If an employer knows that an employee is looking for jobs, their continued employment would be at risk, they could be silently passed over for promotion, etc. I suspect that most people posting in WWTBH are currently unemployed.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#86
post #59

I'm a CRO/CGO – a suit. My biggest struggle with HN wants-to-be-hired threads is that I desperately want to work with small and midsize startups who are serious about growth – but most of the JDs are for technical jobs. Besides the usual job boards, is anyone aware of a good place to connect with founders who want a healthy hockey stick and holistic, healthy growth?

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Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#87
I definitely regret not interviewing for jobs right away when I graduated a few months ago. At the moment I was thinking that in a few months the job market would still be hot.

A few months ago, recruiters were reaching out to me. I started applying last week and a single job posting would have more than 1k applicants which was not the case months ago.

On top of that, as a new grad, finding early career positions is difficult. Most of the opening are SR level.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs I would definitely not read that from the data. I don’t know what percentage of current seekers post in the wants-to-be-hired thread, but as a potentially-outlying anecdote, I didn’t until I had already been looking for three months. I would hypothesize that there’s a psychological barrier to posting in WWTBH, even if you’ve been laid off…

Did you get anything from your "who wants to be hired" post? It's not been clear to me that it's a useful thing to do.

I have received a referral bonus that traced directly back to a "who is hiring" post. Haven't posted on "who wants to be hired" though.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#89

Very interesting chart, thanks! One comment, is that it is probably more a measure of "which way is the balance of power tilting" than it is "what is the actual ratio". Many employers who could not find anyone would post the job everywhere they could think of, while people looking just read the "who is hiring" posts and then applied to the employer rather than post in the "who wants to be hired". Now the shoe is on t…

Can a once trendy tech company like Birds scooter (stock at 22 cents down -98%) really be considered to have the upper hand?

I think if you're a FAANG employer that is considered "safe" definitely yes, but there's a pile of zombie companies that have been wrecked by end of ZIRP and have a hard time understanding how they retain or hire anyone.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

#90
Here is a chart going back to 2014: https://slight.run/graphs/colman/ratio_of_seekers_to_hirers_...

Not quite as drastic as yours, but still not ideal.

The underlying query and data source: https://slight.run/apps/colman/job_seekers_vs_job_hiring_hac...

I'm restricting to top-level comments here, because those seem like a better proxy than all comments (excluding some discussion on a given post for example).

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