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Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by jonpurdy »

muzani wrote: post #48
peruvian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of people don't post on who wants to be hired and instead just browse who's hiring.

I did both but had much better responses on WWTBH. A lot of the companies that approached were really good, paid well, respectful, etc. Funny enough, I had actually applied for one of those companies elsewhere and they didn't process the application until they realized I was on HN.

Similar, last time I was looking (2020) I posted in both and had good responses from quality companies. Basically any HN thread has yielded vastly better opportunities than anywhere else (direct apply, linkedin, etc).

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by el_nahual »

23B1 wrote: post #59

I'm a CRO/CGO – a suit. My biggest struggle with HN wants-to-be-hired threads is that I desperately want to work with small and midsize startups who are serious about growth – but most of the JDs are for technical jobs. Besides the usual job boards, is anyone aware of a good place to connect with founders who want a healthy hockey stick and holistic, healthy growth?

One avenue is to go through the VCs.

1. Choose industries you like (fintech, hospitality, consumer, whatever) 2. There are ~5 or so VCs in each industry that are absolutely leaders 3. Often these VCs have roles for "Platform" or "Portfolio services" 4. Message that person (I like twitter for this over LinkedIn and even over email), sell yourself. 5. Usually this can result in an email that is sent to the entire portfolio telling them you're looking.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by asynchronous »

dgb23 wrote: post #63
the_af wrote: post #60

As an aside, I'm not currently looking for a job (knock on wood) but people close to me are and... the interview process seems harder than ever. Now you get recorded, told you cannot alt-tab, take home assignments are very strict for companies that aren't even close to a FAANG (I mean, if you're applying to Google it comes with the territory, but why is your random startup so strict?), you are automatically graded on…

Which professions hire like this? I can’t think of any.

Yeah genuinely that reeks of someone who has never worked outside of tech. Job hiring sucks in a lot of fields but I would say the trades as a whole have this completely figured out and the process is nowhere near as obtuse as in tech.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by thegabez »

the_af wrote: post #60

As an aside, I'm not currently looking for a job (knock on wood) but people close to me are and... the interview process seems harder than ever. Now you get recorded, told you cannot alt-tab, take home assignments are very strict for companies that aren't even close to a FAANG (I mean, if you're applying to Google it comes with the territory, but why is your random startup so strict?), you are automatically graded on…

Haven't done any interviews but did talk to a recruiter who was asking upfront if I was okay with a 6 day work week. Just a single data point, but I would assume employers are also trying to leverage the situation to get more out of their employees.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by wesnerm2 »

This post is not valid because most companies post jobs in Hackernews after several days. In addition, the is-hiring post opened on April 3, 2023--a little over 24 hours ago.

As other people have noticed, April appeared to be the lowest month in new jobs, but the true numbers won't be evident until the month is over. The ratio will likely fall lower with the reasonable assumption that a greater proportion of people seeking work post earlier in the month than of companies seeking employees.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by karaterobot »

jasonlotito wrote: post #22
karaterobot wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it might invalidate it. At the very least it points out that this is really measuring the ratio of comments , not jobs and candidates.

That's what the post says. > Counting the comments in the who wants to be hired thread and dividing by the number of comments in who is hiring.

Yep, saw that.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by rossdavidh »

Very interesting chart, thanks! One comment, is that it is probably more a measure of "which way is the balance of power tilting" than it is "what is the actual ratio". Many employers who could not find anyone would post the job everywhere they could think of, while people looking just read the "who is hiring" posts and then applied to the employer rather than post in the "who wants to be hired". Now the shoe is on the other foot, but that doesn't mean the ratio has shifted all that much in reality. It is a definite sign as to which side has the surplus, however.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by jpgvm »

dgb23 wrote: post #63
the_af wrote: post #60

As an aside, I'm not currently looking for a job (knock on wood) but people close to me are and... the interview process seems harder than ever. Now you get recorded, told you cannot alt-tab, take home assignments are very strict for companies that aren't even close to a FAANG (I mean, if you're applying to Google it comes with the territory, but why is your random startup so strict?), you are automatically graded on…

Which professions hire like this? I can’t think of any.

Pretty much none that I'm aware of.

My brother is an actual engineer. They get hired on past relevant experience and simple interview. Of course he also needs the relevant credentials and professional membership so there is that... you can't keep those if you mess up and you won't get recommendations if you are an ahole.

A lot of my friends are doctors. If you are qualified and want the position it's yours. Demand > supply very much so.

Hospitality is as cut-throat as always, everyone is welcome to try - it's up to you to survive. Though I guess the first few trial shifts are the most similar to programming in that way but it's still very much "can you do the job" not "can you remember this esoteric thing you might have done once in college but otherwise not touched in a decade".

So yeah. Programming stands alone in this sort of gauntlet hiring system in my experience. Other fields are happy to take past experience and recommendations as they are instead of devising some sort of "test".

I would say outside of programming there is a bit more of the personality test sort of things though - especially big corporates, you could probably screw one up badly enough for HR to block you.

Re: Tell HN: The ratio of wants-to-be-hired to is-hiring is at a record high 0.94

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Post by incone123 »

prottog wrote: post #16
muzani wrote: post #9

I'd like to see data go all the way back to 2020, which was when some people said had the worst job market, because of the global lockdowns. But thanks for the data anyway. It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. Another thing to consider is that we've had layoffs recently, i.e. peo…

> It does amuse me that we're still at more people hiring than looking for jobs. It's a stark contrast to other industries, where the power is normally in the hands of employers. In my area, many businesses outside of the tech sector is actively hiring and can't find enough people. I think Covid triggered a demographic shift with many Boomers retiring (or dying) and that gap has not been filled.

This is an interesting contrast with another comment that said it should be possible to find another tech job if (among other factors) the candidate was not too old.
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