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Re: Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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Post by operatingthetan »

elcritch wrote: post #107
operatingthetan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably more so because even at therapeutic doses it gives a mild high and is addictive.

Perhaps for non-ADHD people. There's a common meme on ADHD channels about forgetting to take it and how hard it is to remember to take it daily. Some days you just don't want to take it and straightjacket your brain. For me getting off a regular dosage just caused a bit of extra sleepiness for a week or two. I drank like 2 redbulls a day for a bit. There is a bit of addictiveness because its nice to be able to functi…

>Its nothing nearly as addictive or habit forming as SSRI's that are given out like candy.

SSRIs aren't considered addictive at all.

As I mentioned to someone else, please take an earnest visit to https://www.reddit.com/r/StopSpeeding/ and consider the idea that a lot of our ADHD peers struggle with stimulants.

>Perhaps for non-ADHD people.

I've been diagnosed with ADHD twice (childhood and adult) and I can say from experience that speed gets everyone high. That's a myth. Take a double dose of your prescription and report back whether you feel it (sort of kidding, it's a dangerous path).

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Post by operatingthetan »

chrisco255 wrote: post #106
operatingthetan wrote: post #47

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>The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even…

Why are you conflating Adderall with all or any stimulants? Might as well throw in caffeine and sugar as things that "even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high". Not disagreeing with you wrt atomexetine but really should compare apples to apples.

You're right. I wasn't as careful as I could be, my intention was to cover common ADHD stimulants: adderall, ritalin, vyvanse, etc. Basically any of them that gives you a quick boost of dopamine and are addictive. I'm not a smart psychopharmacology guy, just have a lot of experience with stimulants. Perhaps ask for clarification instead of throwing out 'conflating' next time though?

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operatingthetan wrote: post #47
caslon wrote: post #21

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It's actually a big difference. One feels downright euphoric, according to Desoxyn users. The other is a boring study drug. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...

>The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even…

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Post by the_mar »

genmud wrote: post #87
thewebcount wrote: post #72

Oh great: > Sometimes, they must send patients on frustrating journeys to find pharmacies that haven’t yet exceeded their caps in order to buy prescribed medicines. Does this then get them put on the secret list of "people with drug seeking behaviors" which apparently includes people who fill prescriptions for their dogs? [0] [0] https://www.wired.com/story/opioid-drug-addiction-algorithm-...

It is absolutely insane right now with medication... My wife blew out her knee last year, breaking her tibia, patella and femur. Do you know how many painkillers they gave her to take home? 12 pills! They said to come back to the ER to get more if she needed them, before surgery the following week(?!). I think it was like a 3 day supply and we both were like WTF. My 1 year old dog (who is batshit insane, but we still…

I mean, you do know that regular Tylenol still works as pain medication? You don't necessarily need narcotics for broken bones.

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Post by satokema »

operatingthetan wrote: post #47
caslon wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually a big difference. One feels downright euphoric, according to Desoxyn users. The other is a boring study drug. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-mo...

>The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even…

Strattera is not a stimulant, not in the same method of action that Adderall or Ritalin is.

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Post by operatingthetan »

satokema wrote: post #126
operatingthetan wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The other is a boring study drug That's quite the mischaracterization. Stimulants even at low doses increase the dopamine in the brain and lead to a mild high. I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever call Adderall "boring" before either. That's like calling alcohol boring, maybe someone may not like the experience, but they both have immediate and noticeable effects and it's not just "I love studying" either. Even…

Strattera is not a stimulant, not in the same method of action that Adderall or Ritalin is.

Thanks for the clarification, was just quoting from Scott Siskind's article which focuses on Adderall. I was responding to the suggestion that adderall is a mundane drug and doesn't get a person high.

I don't think that would be that hard to disprove, but I was trying to pull a quote from the article they linked.

Wikiopedia says Strattera can lead to increases in dopamine, whether that's relevant to that case I don't know.

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Post by brandonmenc »

slapshot wrote: post #11

After the pharmacies got sued for filling opiate prescriptions (which were written by abusive doctors, but the pharmacies are the ones who got sued)[1], is it any surprise that Xanax and Adderall are being limited? If pharmacies are at risk for filling prescriptions that are more complex than antibiotics, the end result is that they make it harder to fill them. [1] https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/finance/federal-jur…

It’s amusing watching the hn commentariat freak out that they can’t get their amphetamine after years of telling chronic pain sufferers to just tough it out because opiates and the Sacklers are bad.

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Post by Spivak »

the_mar wrote: post #124
genmud wrote: post #87

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It is absolutely insane right now with medication... My wife blew out her knee last year, breaking her tibia, patella and femur. Do you know how many painkillers they gave her to take home? 12 pills! They said to come back to the ER to get more if she needed them, before surgery the following week(?!). I think it was like a 3 day supply and we both were like WTF. My 1 year old dog (who is batshit insane, but we still…

I mean, you do know that regular Tylenol still works as pain medication? You don't necessarily need narcotics for broken bones.

I think there's two schools of thought on this one.

A: Time limited access to narcotics is safe and effective pain management for severe but temporary injuries and I don't exist to suffer in this world -- give me the good stuff.

B: If I can reduce my pain into "bearable" with nsiad painkillers then I don't want to take narcotics.

I think one of the dangers of B in the real world is that for severe pain doctors are terrified of prescribing narcotics that they put you on the nsaid cycle with extremely high doses which can wreck your stomach lining and liver.

When I was recovering from surgery they gave me Xanax, Vallium and Tylenol to basically sedate me for 2 straight weeks because of this nonsense and it was miserable. Just trading one kind of high for another but the new way you mostly keep the pain.

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Post by eyelidlessness »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #95
eyelidlessness wrote: post #73

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If it helps, and if you/your doctor are willing to make a temporary switch, I haven’t had trouble getting Vyvanse filled in Seattle. It’s not exactly the same but may be a close enough substitution. It is more expensive but if you can afford that, it might be worth the peace of mind.

IMO Vyvanse is better than Adderall except for being more expensive. I was on Adderall XR 20mg for 10 years and then switched to Vyvanse 50mg. For me, Vyvanse lasts longer, doesn't have as much of a narcotic peak, and feels like it's more consistently strong for the whole curve. Just putting it out there because some people have suggested that it was an inferior alternative (and it may be for some people). Some peopl…

Just some things to be aware of:

- Vyvanse 50 is roughly twice the dosage of Adderall 20

- It’s generally not a good idea to split the XR pills, but they won’t split the same way. As I understand it: Adderall XR and its generics are typically designed as a dual release (either two immediate doses, one delayed; or one immediate and one gradual; both can have the peak/drop off effect). Vyvanse has a more continuous release because its release mechanism depends on digestive enzymes to convert the chemical itself. (If I’ve got any of this wrong, my apologies, but I do think it’s appropriate to caution about splitting the XR pills unless you understand what that entails. Ideally this is a conversation with your doctor, not randos on the internet)

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