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Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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Re: Xanax and Adderall Access Is Being Blocked by Secret Drug Limits

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Post by slaymaker1907 »

chasd00 wrote: post #52

I need adderall to function but on my last refill the pharmacy was out and when I asked when they’ll get more the tech said “maybe next year?”. I got my doc to switch me to vyvanse which is 3x the price even with good insurance since it’s still brand only. I don’t like vyvanse compared to plain generic adderall but I’ll take what I can get. Seems like they’d make dispensing it harder rather than just cut off the supp…

Personally, while I don't take either now, I could never go back on Vyvanse due to the severe appetite suppression I experienced on that medication which I did not have with Adderall. These medications are not completely interchangeable.

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Post by thewebcount »

Oh great:

> Sometimes, they must send patients on frustrating journeys to find pharmacies that haven’t yet exceeded their caps in order to buy prescribed medicines.

Does this then get them put on the secret list of "people with drug seeking behaviors" which apparently includes people who fill prescriptions for their dogs? [0]

[0] https://www.wired.com/story/opioid-drug-addiction-algorithm-...

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Post by eyelidlessness »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #62

I currently have to drive 45-60 minutes one way to get to a pharmacy in a small town to get my adderall filled. I’m in downtown Seattle and it’s the closest option. I assume my pharmacy only has it because it’s mostly an older retirement community and they likely don’t have many adderall users. It’s massively fucking annoying to take nearly three hours out of my day to pick up my meds. And it’s massively fucking anno…

If it helps, and if you/your doctor are willing to make a temporary switch, I haven’t had trouble getting Vyvanse filled in Seattle. It’s not exactly the same but may be a close enough substitution. It is more expensive but if you can afford that, it might be worth the peace of mind.

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Post by disposition2 »

It’s nice to see some reporting on the potential causes of the issues folks are facing with filling Adderall prescriptions.

I’ll provide an anecdotal observation…

My SO has narcolepsy and uses Adderall to, quite literally, function. It’s unfortunate that this malady wasn’t referenced in the article but considering it affects (and I’m guessing here) less than 5% of the population, it makes sense. However (and I can appreciate the concern of individuals who suffer from ADHD), an individual who is suffering from narcolepsy and cannot access their medication can result in what could be argued as a zombie like state.

I can, somewhat, appreciate the impetus behind the idea of putting up blockers to prevent the access of recreational drugs. But, as a former opioid addict, I also have found that limiting legitimate access (when a drug maker isn’t influencing the FDA to make up addictive tiers) typically results in a greater crime than what was initially attempted to prevent.

Suffice to say, without getting too political, pick a representative that has more than a hammer when they’re viewing a nail.

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Post by petercooper »

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #58

for the past decade+ i’ve just lived with crippling adhd and dealt with it as best as i could. and boy do i mean crippling. i feel like dependency on a prescription stimulant is asking for trouble, at least for me personally.

Atomoxetine and modafinil are other options in this space and aren't (usually) dependency forming. It's worth exploring your options if things are bad because doctors are more open to alternatives nowadays.

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Post by nemothekid »

showdeddd wrote: post #25
junofan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ADHD is an ADA-recognized disability. I doubt you’d support secret limits on mobility scooter orders because college kids sometimes steal golf carts. Why is this different?

Because Adderall is 100% pure speed. A handful of Adderalls is more fun than a bag of cocaine (which is going to be more like 5% purity and adulterated with god knows what).

>A handful of Adderalls is more fun than a bag of cocaine

Yeah, this is fear mongering; and I doubt any abuse you are seeing is actually happening on any sort of scale. To imply adderall is more fun than Cocaine/Cocaethylene is a completely strange assertion given cocaine's continued and greater penetration despite the fact it's a highly controlled schedule 2 drug. If you could have more fun with adderall, why would you spend more money on cocaine?

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Post by landemva »

zamnos wrote: post #42
runnerup wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is it any surprise that Xanax and Adderall are being limited? That depends on who is doing the limiting — if the pharmacy corporations are self-limiting then I would understand they are limiting their potential exposure/liability to whatever risk level they are comfortable with. I’ll still be able to find my necessary drugs at another chain which doesn’t limit. If the government is doing the limiting, then yes, tha…

The article goes to lengths to describe how the government, specifically the DEA are limiting supply by issuing edicts to pharmaceutical companies. Corporations don't generally defy government edicts, especially ones that lead to raids and jail time, so we really can say it's the government's doing here, rather than particularly self-limiting behavior on the part of the pharmaceutical companies. That the government i…

Can you please provide a cite? I tend to think this coercion probably is happening.

Agency rule making should be public and published in federal register. I don't know what the effective recourse would be. The easy track is to go to Mexico and load up on what your Dr. prescribed.

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Post by pnw »

Articles like this and reading about the FDA forcing drug manufacturers to replace pseudoephedrine (effective cold medicine) with phenylephrine (basically a placebo) really make me wonder about the intelligence level of the federal agencies.

https://pharmacy.ufl.edu/2015/10/14/uf-researchers-ask-fda-t...

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Post by eyelidlessness »

klooney wrote: post #67
ehPReth wrote: post #64

holy poop. getting off of benzos is not a fun experience and for some they're really needed to make day to day life... even barely bearable the fuck is wrong with these people

Cold turkeying benzos can give you permanent brain damage, I think.

It’s potentially life threatening. Similar to alcohol withdrawal. So similar, as I understand it, that benzos are sometimes used in hospitals as a substitute for alcohol weening in severe withdrawal cases.

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Post by zenexer »

cvalka wrote: post #61
pyuser583 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that pharmacists are highly trained care providers. They aren’t simply some retailer who fills a doctors order.

They should have no business overriding prescriptions.

They can and should—that’s their area of expertise. I’ve had pharmacists catch dangerous but obscure drug interactions that my doctors failed to catch, typically because the two interacting medications were prescribed by two different types of doctors. Even though both would’ve had access to the same medical records and my full medication list, and even though that data was being checked by a computer, mistakes happen and databases are sometimes incomplete.
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