Japan Breaks with U.S. Allies, Buys Russian Oil at Prices Above Cap

Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 3:59 PM UTC

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>we just backed a coup to overthrow Ukraine's pro-Russian government in 2014 You have been misinformed. The sovereign institution in Ukraine is the Verkhovna Rada, the parliament, which overwhelmingly approved an association agreement with the European Union. Yanukovych refused to sign it, and after extensive popular protests in favour of the association agreement, on 22 February 2010 the parliament voted overwhelmin…

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Post by boringg » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:12 PM UTC

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Purely speculative conspiracy theory here.

Yes, that's why US does everything they can to prevent investigating who caused it, same with UN and US allies when it come to investigation who sabtaged NS. But of course it's conspiracy theory, let's just label it and ignore smoking gun.

Post by EGreg » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

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If by "the OP being right" you mean that Russia is pretty much like every other "Great Power" then yeah. Not only can I handle that, but I'm saying the same thing. But that's not what the OP seems to be saying. He seems to be saying that, history has shown Russia is uniquely a bloodthirsty country that wants to attack its neighbors for no reason, any chance it gets. In a "normal" analysis of countries since, say, 198…

If at first you don't succeed... You now feign agreement with the first point only to say it's because of what-about-USA... and then disagree again. All the while you're polluting the whole argument with needless arguments in the hope that something sticks or at least draws discussion somewhere else.

Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:50 PM UTC

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The US had a preferred candidate and used their influence? Absolutely shocking, ground-shattering news. I sure hope no one else does that sort of thing in Ukraine.

It goes beyond "preference" we have State Dept officials on tape having a conversation where they're hand picking the Ukrainian cabinet. Again, imagine what the US would do if we had a tape of Chinese officials picking out the top officials of Mexico. There is no way to paint the US as innocent here.

Post by ceejayoz » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 5:04 PM UTC

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what do you mean assumption? they have attacked several neighbours for no reason and have stated they wish to "reclaim" others

That's simply not true. You should learn about conflicts not from CNN news. 1. Russia hasn't stated a wish to reclaim other countries, even former parts of USSR. 2. Both military conflicts with neighbors Russia participated in: Georgia and Ukraine had very serious reasons and it was not Russia, that initiated both.