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Japan Breaks with U.S. Allies, Buys Russian Oil at Prices Above Cap

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Anyone who's been paying attention I believe would agree that our foreign policy around Ukraine has come at a huge cost not only to us financially and economically, but also to our foreign relations. Under this conflict our relations with China, India, Brazil, Saudi Arabia -- these are important partners -- have degraded. Having watched that unfold, this isn't a surprise to me.

The fact that there's a major land war in Ukraine, which the US did not start and had no power to prevent, has come at a huge cost. This is true. Given that Ukraine patently was not just going to roll over, and even if the US hadn't supported them, much of Europe absolutely would. I think it's petty plain the war would still be raging fiercely anyway. Most likely Russia would be on the skirts of or in Kyiv and Odessa…

Lots of countries aren’t being affected by the land war, but are being affected by the US/EU sanctions on Russia. For example it’s exacerbating a major foreign currency shortage in Bangladesh: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/02/bangladesh-foreign-minister-...

> Meanwhile US relations with Europe would be at the lowest level since WW2, it would be seen as an utter abandonment and betrayal of our shared values, including US treaty guarantees on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine

If you’re referring to the Budapest agreement, it’s not a treaty. And other countries should educate themselves and understand that unilateral commitments by the President that aren’t ratified by Congress aren’t worth anything.

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#142
post #7

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Looking at OSM, the sea borders of Russia and Japan touch. That seems like a good reason for Japan to care about what Russia is doing to another country it shares a border with.

> Looking at OSM, I would have thought this kind of knowledge was in the table stakes for anybody with any kind of interest in the matter.

As I live on the opposite side of the continent, I wanted to be sure they actually shared a border rather than just assume my memory was correct because they're nearby.

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#143
post #56

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Can you describe why you think the US has "significantly abused their position with the US dollars hegemony."

I think the US sanctions regime, based on the supremacy of the US dollar, is nakedly abused. For instance, sanctioning ICC prosecutors who investigated US service members for warcrimes.

In this case you're talking about the moves by the Trump GOP administration.

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#144
post #4

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> At least one middling positive of the invasion has been a litmus test for the levels of integrity of various countries. Russia annexed Crimea almost a decade ago. If you haven't read the writing on the wall and maneuvered independence you're incompetent or immoral. I can’t really parse this. Why should Japan care about Crimea or Ukraine?

Why shouldn't Japan care about Ukraine? If Ukraine can be invaded and the rest of the world does nothing, then why bother having borders or nations or the rule of law? If Ukraine's territory doesn't matter, then why should Japan's territory matter?

Did Japan care about Turkey's invasion of Greece? Sadly, this sort of thing happens all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

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post #140
post #101

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If by "the OP being right" you mean that Russia is pretty much like every other "Great Power" then yeah. Not only can I handle that, but I'm saying the same thing. But that's not what the OP seems to be saying. He seems to be saying that, history has shown Russia is uniquely a bloodthirsty country that wants to attack its neighbors for no reason, any chance it gets. In a "normal" analysis of countries since, say, 198…

> If by "the OP being right" you mean that Russia is pretty much like every other "Great Power" then yeah. Not only can I handle that, but I'm saying the same thing. So you agree makes Russia a potential threat that Japan needs to care about? Because your response didn't read like that.

If Japan doesn’t join an alliance that threatens to eventually station nukes aimed at Russian cities, and doesn’t attack Russia directly, I doubt that Russia would do something to further encroach on Japan. Why would they? The onus is on you to explain. The original comment seemed to say, well, Russia is just uniquely bloodthirsty, maybe has too many weapons lying around etc. I need something more rooted in realistic analysis.

But then again, I can’t say the same for, say, China building artificial islands or USA invading Haiti to restore order. Maybe I am wrong and Russia has a reason to gradually encroach and attack, so I am willing to hear it.

I am certainly suspecting that Russia’s spy agencies are helping foment a revolution against the governments in Moldova and Slovakia, which may in the future lead to a civil war there!

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#147
post #47

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what do you mean assumption? they have attacked several neighbours for no reason and have stated they wish to "reclaim" others

That's simply not true. You should learn about conflicts not from CNN news. 1. Russia hasn't stated a wish to reclaim other countries, even former parts of USSR. 2. Both military conflicts with neighbors Russia participated in: Georgia and Ukraine had very serious reasons and it was not Russia, that initiated both.

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post #110

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NATO never made any formal commitment not to expand eastward, and Russian presidents from Yeltsin onwards were completely relaxed about eastern European countries choosing freely to join NATO. Gorbachev is on record saying he was never even aware any such statements had been given. In May 2002 Vladimir Putin said Ukraine was entitled to decide on its own whether to join NATO and that he did not see such a decision as…

>I think it's highly loaded to phrase this as NATO expansion. It sounds like NATO somehow coerced these countries into joining, or annexed them somehow. That's not where I would put the emphasis. Though there was some courting, the anti-Russian sentiment in these countries was genuine. Russia shares its borders with 14 other nations. What happened is that, one by one, many of these joined, or became partner to, an al…

>views Russia as something to be contained.

Contained within it's borders. You mean like constrained from territorial expansion and annexation of neighbouring territory? Yes. Just as all the European countries are contained within their borders.

Being constrained within your borders should be the default for everyone. The fact that Moscow has a president that doesn't think that way is exactly the problem NATO was created to deal with.

I'm a realist, I know there are cases when military interventions are necessary. Preventing genocide in Kosovo, kicking the Iraqi army out of Kuwait. There can be messy situations where the right course of action isn't clear, but Ukraine is not one of those. Flat out annexing large swathes of neighbouring countries is precisely the problem NATO was created to counter. It turns out for very, very good reason.

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I think the US sanctions regime, based on the supremacy of the US dollar, is nakedly abused. For instance, sanctioning ICC prosecutors who investigated US service members for warcrimes.

In this case you're talking about the moves by the Trump GOP administration.

For good or bad, it's still the legitimately elected US government. The Trump government represented the population of the USA, and was elected in accordance with its own rules. The consequences or fruits thereof belong to the citizens of the nation.
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