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AI porn will never be sexy

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Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by happytoexplain »

xwkd wrote: post #39
jrm4 wrote: post #12

On one hand, this essay feels like a whole lot of "cope," but if we roll with the author's definition, I think that what people are (feeling/not feeling) is that all of our entertainment is deeply unsexy, even when it's trying to be. E.g.the whole superhero thing. Good looking strong people, and nothing remotely "sexy" related comes up until She-Hulk, and then people hate it. It's wild to me how ostensibly straight d…

This is excellent bait, and I'll take it. You (hopefully) know as well as I do that twerking with Megan Thee Stallion is more of a "yas queen" than a "does this please you, viewer?" The thing that takes an ostensibly (lol) enticing sexual act and turns it into an "ewwww" is when it's wrapped up in a big box emblazoned with the letters "POLITICAL POWER PLAY." Oh yes please, that's exactly what I want, serve me some ti…

I disagree harshly with the parent, but I think your point of view is much more damaging. The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes, personality flaws, or political psychology plays to simply shoehorn booty-shaking into their superhero show (Occam's razor). I think your layering-on of all these other horrible things is actually indicative of a much more hateful attitude than the one you are accusing them of.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by iamben »

happytoexplain wrote: post #29
iamben wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very subjective view?!

Most things we say, including many valuable contributions to dialogues, are subjective. We don't need to qualify them with "this is just my opinion, but..." every single time. You are of course free to disagree using as much or as little elaboration as you like, but the additional implication of "you shouldn't have even said it because it's not an objective fact" is not useful.

Whilst I don't disagree with your point (other than implying that I was suggesting the commenter shouldn't have said it), perhaps my reply was a little too subtle.

Porn is a ~$100bn a year market. It seemed rather obvious that to justify anywhere near those numbers some of it has to be objectively 'sexy'.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by xwkd »

happytoexplain wrote: post #41
xwkd wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is excellent bait, and I'll take it. You (hopefully) know as well as I do that twerking with Megan Thee Stallion is more of a "yas queen" than a "does this please you, viewer?" The thing that takes an ostensibly (lol) enticing sexual act and turns it into an "ewwww" is when it's wrapped up in a big box emblazoned with the letters "POLITICAL POWER PLAY." Oh yes please, that's exactly what I want, serve me some ti…

I disagree harshly with the parent, but I think your point of view is much more damaging. The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes, personality flaws, or political psychology plays to simply shoehorn booty-shaking into their superhero show (Occam's razor). I think your layering-on of all these other horrible things is actually indicative of a much more hateful attitude than the one…

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

#46

Post by happytoexplain »

xwkd wrote: post #45
happytoexplain wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree harshly with the parent, but I think your point of view is much more damaging. The artists don't need to exhibit any of these dramatic subversive attitudes, personality flaws, or political psychology plays to simply shoehorn booty-shaking into their superhero show (Occam's razor). I think your layering-on of all these other horrible things is actually indicative of a much more hateful attitude than the one…

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I'm not. The kinds of things that people say that you are probably thinking of when you make a criticism like in your original post absolutely are real and deserve your criticism (in fact, I'd put jrm4's tone in that category!) - but over-applying that criticism does harm to a position that is justified in other contexts. Remember, when you see somebody (e.g. maybe a writer or fan for a show...) make a criticism of a group you are a member of, they are sometimes referring to something truly deserving of criticism. Always try to keep your criticisms as focused as possible in turn, to avoid the vicious cycle of political/social hatred (especially in the context of fictional media, where it produces a tone that is particularly obnoxious/petty).

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by stinos »

dotancohen wrote: post #30
Joker_vD wrote: post #9

> For now, when we talk about AI, porn and sex, everything is speculative. Ah, nice to see some humility in attempts to predict the futu— > Broadly speaking, however, we exist in a culture that values humanity. We care, at least on paper, about the human element. AI is unlikely to change that. Nevermind then. Humans, you know, are also "trained" as they grow up. And the new generations, growing up much more exposed t…

I liken this to the autotune songs. I cannot stand autotune. But since about 2005 or so, I can not think of a single song on the radio that doesn't use it. And for the past two or three years, it seems like autotune isn't even used to emulate a human voice anymore. It's not like Cher augumenting some parts of her singing, rather, the whole song (all of them, almost, at least the garbage that I hear in my children's f…

I can not think of a single song on the radio that doesn't use it

Do you mean that literally, speaking about FM or maybe even DAB, and if so: may I ask what region you're from that you have no access to radio stations featuring something else than only such songs?

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by dale_glass »

klyrs wrote: post #24

I have never seen a prediction more obviously wrong about AI. Of all things, humans have shown their propensity to sexualize everything . Porn can be text, hand-drawn, animated, CGI; featuring tentacles, bears, fantastical creatures... and there's a market for it all . Porn isn't about what people "value." Quite the opposite in many cases. Hell, it's already wrong: people are forming romantic, sexualized relationship…

Plus porn seems like one of the most optimizable problem spaces.

There's heaps of material, lots of images that come in series and are just slightly different, lots of pre-existing collections, categories, and tags for all of it. Everything has some specific name for it too.

Porn is probably one of the easiest datasets to train on.

You can also easily seek user feedback: ask people to rate images, point out defects, etc. You'll have your audience fine tuning it for free.

Re: AI porn will never be sexy

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Post by jrm4 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #14
jrm4 wrote: post #12

On one hand, this essay feels like a whole lot of "cope," but if we roll with the author's definition, I think that what people are (feeling/not feeling) is that all of our entertainment is deeply unsexy, even when it's trying to be. E.g.the whole superhero thing. Good looking strong people, and nothing remotely "sexy" related comes up until She-Hulk, and then people hate it. It's wild to me how ostensibly straight d…

>ostensibly straight Why is their straightness "ostensible" but the sexiness in question is not? That comes off as pretty judgy, in terms of what people do and do not find sexy. Regardless, what did She-Hulk bring that other superhero media hasn't (I haven't seen it - surely you're not saying that "good looking strong people" are not sexy and "booty-shaking" is? I assume there's something else in She-Hulk that's qual…

Tone doesn't come across that great here; people are of course allowed to like and hate whatever, I suppose that's what I was trying to get at with "to me it's wild," it's pretty close to what I mean -- if one thinks about it in the abstract it's kind of funny. And also (to get revealing) yeah, I kinda dig the booty-shaking of this sort, funny it doesn't resonate elsewhere.

I didn't mean to make that particular example the focus (and forgot perhaps where I was) -- but I stand on a broader idea: Superhero stuff as practiced in the movies today has made things very much less "adult/mature" in the literal senses of those words. They're "cartoons."

They end up being very simplistic childlike stories of GOOD v BAD, without a lot of grown-up nuance. So along with, e.g. philisophical stuff that you lose, you also lose what I think could properly be called "sexiness;" because there's nearly zero grownup treatment of human relationships, that includes the sexy ones?

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