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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by andrepd »

tallanvor wrote: post #342
Fradow wrote: post #272

Parisian here, for context I've been cycling to work for about 10 years now (before Paris transformed into a cycle-friendly city). There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there. The first big misconception is that this ban is only due t…

> What is replaced is a subway, bus, bike, or walking trip. Perhaps on some rare occasions a taxi/Uber. Apart from that last rare occasion, all other alternatives are MORE eco-friendly than the e-scooters. I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. A survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced publ…

I imagine you must feel the same way, but 20x stronger, about cars, right? Everything you said is even worse, only we've become accustomed to it and treat it as natural (one knocked over scooter? outrageous. 4 lanes of traffic and 2 of parking? par on course).

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by MikusR »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #221
anhner wrote: post #199

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lmao this guy thinks scooters only ride on bike lanes

Where there is proper infrastructure this works relatively okay. Where there is no infrastructure scooters take the pedastrian way as roads are dangerous.

> Where there is proper infrastructure this works relatively okay.

Thanks. Best joke i have heard in the last year.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by another2another »

xuhu wrote: post #275

103,000 people voted out of 1.38M registered voters.

I was quite surprised by the strength of opinion on this one, but now I see the numbers it makes more sense. Those that hated the public scooters turned out, but nobody loved them enough to turn out and vote in support.

As they say, History is made by those that turn up (or somesuch).

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by andrepd »

pif wrote: post #241
rhaway84773 wrote: post #83

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The real problem with scooters is cuties unwilling to provide them with proper infrastructure. Bike lanes in most cities (out of the better European cycling cities), tend to be narrow and about 1/4 - 1/3 the size of a car lane. If a city were to dedicate a single car lane sized lane for “micromobility” and responded quickly to damage to this lane (which wouldn’t be as frequent for the obvious reason that damage is pr…

> If a city were to dedicate a single car lane sized lane for “micromobility” Most cities do not have a car lane sized lane to spare.

Ahahahaha. In a twisted way, you are right. Such is the entitlement and the decades of car dependency that daring to remove even a single lane (driving lane or parking) from the almighty Car traffic, be it for a bus lane or a tramway or a bike lane, sparks incredibly virulent backlash.

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Post by wcoenen »

pasc1878 wrote: post #407
wcoenen wrote: post #390

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Whenever I visit Paris as a tourist, I have another impression. Each time I stop, as a pedestrian, to wait for a traffic light to turn green, grumbling Parisians walk around me and cross the street with complete disregard for the red light. (I'm not sure I've ever even seen a Parisian pedestrian waiting for a traffic light. They might wait for traffic to clear a bit, but not until there's a green light.) So to me, it…

You are American aren't you. This is how normal people use lights in the rest of the world. If it is green walk. If it is red - look around and if it is reasonably safe walk. Jaywalking is not a rule or anything like it. The UK highway Code has recently been changed so that pedestrians have right od way over cars turning into a side street (although not if controlled by traffic lights)

> You are American aren't you

I am Belgian. In the smaller Belgian cities that I frequent, pedestrians seem to wait for traffic lights.

Admittedly that is not the case in Brussels. Maybe it is a big city thing.

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Post by np- »

pasc1878 wrote: post #407
wcoenen wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I visit Paris as a tourist, I have another impression. Each time I stop, as a pedestrian, to wait for a traffic light to turn green, grumbling Parisians walk around me and cross the street with complete disregard for the red light. (I'm not sure I've ever even seen a Parisian pedestrian waiting for a traffic light. They might wait for traffic to clear a bit, but not until there's a green light.) So to me, it…

You are American aren't you. This is how normal people use lights in the rest of the world. If it is green walk. If it is red - look around and if it is reasonably safe walk. Jaywalking is not a rule or anything like it. The UK highway Code has recently been changed so that pedestrians have right od way over cars turning into a side street (although not if controlled by traffic lights)

Not just an American thing, try jaywalking in Germany, they consider it so offensive that even some mothers will shield their children’s eyes to prevent them seeing you do it. You must be British, thinking you speak for the world ;)

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Post by ilyt »

pasc1878 wrote: post #407
wcoenen wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I visit Paris as a tourist, I have another impression. Each time I stop, as a pedestrian, to wait for a traffic light to turn green, grumbling Parisians walk around me and cross the street with complete disregard for the red light. (I'm not sure I've ever even seen a Parisian pedestrian waiting for a traffic light. They might wait for traffic to clear a bit, but not until there's a green light.) So to me, it…

You are American aren't you. This is how normal people use lights in the rest of the world. If it is green walk. If it is red - look around and if it is reasonably safe walk. Jaywalking is not a rule or anything like it. The UK highway Code has recently been changed so that pedestrians have right od way over cars turning into a side street (although not if controlled by traffic lights)

> This is how normal people use lights in the rest of the world.

You're generalizing too much and making exact same mistake you're complaining about. Also jaywalking and going on the red light are not the same.

Here in Poland:

* you would get a ticket if police sees you crossing a pedestrian crossing on red light * you would also get one if there is pedestrian crossing near you(100m) and you don't use it while crossing * no crossing nearby ? You can pass unless it is something like a highway. You don't get priority in this case.

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Post by wink »

elric wrote: post #359
wink wrote: post #304

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I think you're missing the fact that car infrastructure with curbside parking has evolved over decades, and cities have not managed to even provide ample parking space for standard bikes, as they have been in use for decades as well. Now these scooters just came into existence and over the course of 5-8 years have managed to clutter everything. They're not individuals' property (who would pick them up later) but they…

It's true that infrastructure has evolved over decades. Though bicycles predate cars, and for various reasons we (as a society) decided to fuck bicycles and pander to cars. I'm not sure if the ownership vs rental argument holds much water. Bicycles routinely litter the kerb (and every other surface imaginable), even though they are usually owned rather than rented. Perhaps it's because they're relatively cheap? Or ma…

Maybe it depends what you see as "littering" - when I'm talking the city center here, without bike racks, people 99% line them up against the walls of the houses, or lock them on to streets signs, which are usually ~30cm from the curb next to the cars. I honestly can't remember when an actual non-rental, personal bike was in my way, so does not seem to be problem here, at all. If you define "they're all standing there", well, ok :P
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