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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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I have never had an issue despite living in a large european city. Maybe the reason is that, unlike some people, I don't blindly step into bike lanes.

lmao this guy thinks scooters only ride on bike lanes

Where there is proper infrastructure this works relatively okay. Where there is no infrastructure scooters take the pedastrian way as roads are dangerous.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

In Paris each years 90 persons are not "nearly mown down" by rental escooters but killed by cars, taxis and motorcycle. Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes.

How does that justify e-scooters compared to, say, decent bike lanes and better infrastructure planning?

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I would like to provide a contrasting viewpoint. I can’t speak to the situation in Paris, but in the city I live in, scooters are amazing. They reduce car usage which is better for both pedestrians and car users. They turn a 45 minute walk/30 minute bus ride/20 minute cab into a 10-15 minute trip, which opens up much more of the city (the city I live in was not built for the number of cars it has in it so getting any…

> They reduce car usage which is better for both pedestrians and car users.

Most stats show that they don't reduce car usage, the people using them aren't people that give up cars, but people that give up on walking or taking public transport.

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Those Lime bikes are terrific. Great for access to places that don't have Santander bikes.

Great for the fraction of a percent of Londoners who use them, terrible for every one else

Not without problems, but still miles better than toting your car through a city centre.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Rental escooters are a MENACE - and i'm not old either - just been nearly mown down by one several times.

In Paris each years 90 persons are not "nearly mown down" by rental escooters but killed by cars, taxis and motorcycle. Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes.

This poses a false dichotomy where you're either riding a car, or littering the streets with rental e-scooters. In practice, this isn't the case. It's fairly well documented e-scooters aren't replacing car rides, but pedestrian traffic.

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I just walk past them when I'm not using them. Very easy. Hardly a problem.

Perhaps because you don't have a disability or a stroller with a young child so that you can comfortably and effortlessly avoid them...

If sidewalks could be wider it wouldn't be as much of a concern. Narrow sidewalks are to accommodate car parking more often than not. I would rather see less of that in a city centre.

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When I was in Paris in 2019 I tried to use their e-scooters and it was nearly impossible because angry locals had sharpie-d over every barcode so you couldn’t scan them. I’m surprised the companies haven’t left already.

Thanks for tip! We are flooded by these also in Prague, can't walk normal on sidewalk, as if cyclists riding on sidewalks was not bad enough.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Lived in a small city which had mixed use of cars, bikes and shoes for many years. Never saw an accident of any kind. Generally mature and sedate drivers and bikers, but a culture that widely enjoyed adventure sports etc. E-scooters introduced. In one year I saw three accidents where someone was hurt to the point they require attention, and multiple close misses - one of which would have been extremely serious but fo…

> While this can happen with a bike, it's much less often - as the effort and room required to pedal doesn't lend well to instantaneous impulse, nor the "sneak through a tight gap" temptation, it's all simply louder and slower.

That's interesting. The scooters I've tried here in Paris (Lime) were extremely anemic. They also only have token brakes which, apart from skidding, don't really do anything.

Therefore, my reasoning was that since they take forever to pick up speed, and can't reliably slow down, people will tend to take chances and slalom around "obstacles".

The local bike sharing schemes have electric models that accelerate much harder than the scooters do, and as far as I'm aware, they don't have the level of traffic issues scooters do.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Here in Tel Aviv, they'll never get rid of them for at least one reason: they're the only form of at-least-semi-public transportation available on the weekend (Shabbat) and Jewish holidays, when the law forbids buses and trains from running. Meet a date at 10 PM on Friday night? Scoot. Catch the Saturday 5 AM tour bus to a day-hike that's meeting on the other side of town? Scoot. They've also helped boost demand for…

Wait, so on weekends you can drive a car around but you cannot get the bus or a train? if so that's crazy.

Yep, it's a significant contributor to car culture as once you have a car you start using it for trips that could be done using walking. And everybody needs a car to be mobile on Shabbat unless they can pay for taxis with a surcharge or are actually religious.
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