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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by dolmen »

xpl wrote: post #406
petre wrote: post #133

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I think that their weight and speed and where one can park them needs to be regulated. Hungary has at least done the last bit in Budapest with rectangles marked in green on the sidewalk. City councils can also rent out this space, preventing scooter chaos. They're also overbuilt for anti vandalism, weighting over 20 kilos. If one hits a pedestrian with a rental scooter, it can cause bad injuries. High speed also puts…

> Since it's a rental, nobody wears a helmet and almost everybody drives them irresponsibly In Tel Aviv, all rental scooters come with helmets, and wearing a helmet is actually enforced by the police. Also they are banned from riding on sidewalks. So it seems to be just a regulation/enforcement problem, not intrinsical to scooters themselves or being rental or private.

> So it seems to be just a regulation/enforcement problem

But it is less costly for the cities to remove the problem (ban e-scooter) that to hire people to chase bad e-scooter behavior. Especially if many users of those e-scooter are tourists who will bring back home a bad souvenir of their trip if they get fined.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by easytiger »

ehnto wrote: post #226
anhner wrote: post #212

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Perhaps because you don't have a disability or a stroller with a young child so that you can comfortably and effortlessly avoid them...

If sidewalks could be wider it wouldn't be as much of a concern. Narrow sidewalks are to accommodate car parking more often than not. I would rather see less of that in a city centre.

The overcompensation is palpable

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by eloisant »

Fradow wrote: post #272

Parisian here, for context I've been cycling to work for about 10 years now (before Paris transformed into a cycle-friendly city). There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there. The first big misconception is that this ban is only due t…

> There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there.

So you're saying, compared to other cities, Paris' problem is parisians? And e-scooter don't work because parisians can't be bothered to be civil?

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by easytiger »

muyuu wrote: post #349
easytiger wrote: post #152

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> carelessness is a problem but that also happens with so-called Boris bikes (Livingstone bikes) no. They are returned to docking stations. Other schemes litter the pavement

perhaps they do it more I live near the DLR and I see vandalised, abandoned Boris bikes on the regular

I see this nonsense every day https://i.imgur.com/s59Bvf3.png

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by eloisant »

cassepipe wrote: post #379
saiya-jin wrote: post #365

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Even at random stranger cars (which I expect to be the case, you don't throw stones on cars of people you actually know, not under normal circumstances)? Ie I am a tourist and driving around and I like some older parts of town. What is it with people generally that make them feel above others, forcing their viewpoints on everybody else as the only truth? People should generally travel far and exotic more, it changes…

So if may summarize your question : What is it with people who have an absolute definition of truth, people who think truth is something that has been revealed/given to them rather something to be found by questioning the world, people who think the world outside of their community is at best misguided if not evil, what is it with them that make them so intolerant ? Who knows ?

It's tribalism.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by Toutouxc »

jonasdegendt wrote: post #352
petodo wrote: post #227

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Thanks for tip! We are flooded by these also in Prague, can't walk normal on sidewalk, as if cyclists riding on sidewalks was not bad enough.

Blame your government for not creating adequate bike lanes or curbing car usage, instead of people just trying to get around. Nobody wants to be in each others way, it's just that most of the time cyclists have nowhere else to go.

E-scooter (my own) rider from Prague: the cycling infrastructure here ranges from okay to pretty-nice-actually, and it's slowly getting better, so that's good, but there's a LOT of drunk tourists using the rental e-scooters in the [medieval, cramped] center.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by andrepd »

elric wrote: post #287

I wonder if there have been any social studies done regarding the apparent sense of entitlement that comes with operating any kind of vehicle. E-scooters are an absolute menace nearly everywhere I've seen them being used, with their operators weaving between pedestrians and cars alike, and littering the kerb when unused. But the same is often true for bicycles, especially the fast electric kind, and it's certainly tr…

Two issues with that equivalence: (1) you can't compare a 15kg bike going 20kph with a 2000kg SUV going 70kph, and (2) the city is ENTIRELY designed for cars, with everything else as an afterthought (e.g. where pedestrians can walk is entirely determined around cars and their throughways). Yes, scooters shouldn't mix with pedestrians and they also shouldn't mix with cars. We'll where the fuck should they go? Governments seem permanently unwilling to sacrifice even a single lane of car traffic for a proper bike path / scooter path.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by ilyt »

elric wrote: post #287

I wonder if there have been any social studies done regarding the apparent sense of entitlement that comes with operating any kind of vehicle. E-scooters are an absolute menace nearly everywhere I've seen them being used, with their operators weaving between pedestrians and cars alike, and littering the kerb when unused. But the same is often true for bicycles, especially the fast electric kind, and it's certainly tr…

> I'm happy to accept the scooter menace if it means fewer cars on the road. And given how much of a nightmare traffic is in Paris, I'm surprised that Parisians don't seem to agree. But then I guess thes ones who voted against this probably feel entitled to their preferred mode of transport over all others ... ?

I'd imagine because they are not sharing space with cars but with pedestrians and cyclists.

And this has nothing to do with entitlement, just plainly sense of danger. Those things can go at bicycle speeds with none of the breaking or manoeuvrer capability of one.

The companies operating them were also essentially loitering, putting them wherever they wanted. At least here in Poland it was finally regulated and placed some limits on them (max speed, no zooming around on pedestrian routes etc.) but I can absolutely see why pedestrians or cyclists hated them.

> I'm happy to accept the scooter menace if it means fewer cars on the road. And given how much of a nightmare traffic is in Paris, I'm surprised that Parisians don't seem to agree. But then I guess thes ones who voted against this probably feel entitled to their preferred mode of transport over all others ... ?

It would be interesting experiment to open congested routes for 2 wheel vehicles only(let's say anything between classic scooter and bicycle), but frankly all of them is a misery to drive in proper winter so I'm kinda not surprised by people staying with their cars.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Post by eesmith »

bluescrn wrote: post #288
ostenning wrote: post #260

Great, lets now move to ban them from other EU capitals. Its an issue in Berlin, so many youths ride these scooters recklessly on footpaths, hurting pedestrians or worse.

'E-scooters have safety risks, let's encourage people back into 2-ton fossil-fuel-burning cars instead!' If we want a future of EVs, we need to figure out how to include personal light EVs, not just very expensive full-size-car replacements for the wealthy.

Grind that axe in another thread.

Youths in Berlin are NOT riding 2-ton cars. The minimum age for unrestricted licenses in Germany is 18.

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