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Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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With 7.45% turnout, it's more of an elderly's bad joke. Elderly and wealthy people who have been brainwashed by television and want to continue using their murderous and polluting cars and taxis. Other people are more concerns by ecological problems and the rise in the pension age.

I live in Berlin and my main mode of transportation is the bike, since before e-scooters were a thing. Bikes are very popular here and I do not actually know a lot of people who live in the city and own a car. E-scooter made life objectively harder for cyclists. They are abandoned in the middle of bike lanes and create danger, or in the spots were you could park your bike safely. They make every walking street worse,…

Well you might not know enough people to make a statistic.

The modal share of car in Berlin is 26%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share

Please first reduce by 95% the amount of car, taxi and motorcycle and then we'll talk about scooter.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Parisian here, for context I've been cycling to work for about 10 years now (before Paris transformed into a cycle-friendly city). There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there. The first big misconception is that this ban is only due t…

> What is replaced is a subway, bus, bike, or walking trip. Perhaps on some rare occasions a taxi/Uber. Apart from that last rare occasion, all other alternatives are MORE eco-friendly than the e-scooters.

I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. A survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars.

The detrimental affects on public transit, the relatively high injury rates, the disregard the riders have for the blind and handicapped who have to navigate around the scooters being left in the middle of the sidewalk, and just the sense of urban blight from them being left everywhere all add up to enough reason to ban the things.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is contending that using scooters is bad for the user. They are saying a bunch of drunk users are using them recklessly for non-users and are getting in people's way by parking them all over the sidewalks and streets. An aggressive ticketing campaign isn't very helpful in a city with a lot of tourists, because they'll just go home without having paid the ticket. Is Interpol going to seek out 30 euros?

> An aggressive ticketing campaign isn't very helpful in a city with a lot of tourists, because they'll just go home without having paid the ticket. Is Interpol going to seek out 30 euros? I have proposed this before in my city, ticket the e-scoter company for improper parking not the users. Most of these business have gps trackers on them they will quickly find a way to enforce proper parking onto users. We need to…

I know that in Oslo they can fine the scooter companies for people parking them improperly, but you still have to have officials out looking for them and actually issuing the fines. The result here is that tourist areas have fewer problems, but they're left littering the sidewalks in residential areas.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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The public transport is operated by the government. They consider no one should work on Saturdays so they don't run their services then. I think if using your private car was forbidden it would've been even crazier.

Well, it IS forbidden, no? Just not banned by the government.

It’s forbidden to carry the car keys, let alone drive the car. But Jewish people do seem to be good at creating loopholes — it’s forbidden to press the button for the elevator, so the elevator stops at every floor so you don’t need to. It’s forbidden to turn on the oven, so the timer will turn it on for you. It’s forbidden to push you child in a buggy, so there’s a wire out up around the neighbourhood to make it not forbidden.

It’s quite amusing really

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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In Paris each years 90 persons are not "nearly mown down" by rental escooters but killed by cars, taxis and motorcycle. Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes.

> Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes. Please substantiate this claim. Thank you.

Have a good reading :

In Paris, air pollution kills 5,400 people every year

https://www-francebleu-fr.translate.goog/infos/transports/a-...

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/transports/a-paris-la-pollut...

Air pollution is responsible for more than 5,000 deaths each year in Paris according to a study published on Wednesday. Published in the Lancet Planetary Health journal, it calculated premature deaths linked to PM2.5 fine particle pollution and nitrogen dioxide (NO2) in 1,000 European cities. The French capital appears to be one of the cities where automobile pollution kills the most.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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> Plus thousands of people killed by toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes. Please substantiate this claim. Thank you.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5...

Air polution != "toxic gases from cars, taxis and motorbikes". That's only subset. Cities were dirty holes (including bad air) centuries before invention of cars.

Continuing, they didn't measure anything. They estimated.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Great, lets now move to ban them from other EU capitals. Its an issue in Berlin, so many youths ride these scooters recklessly on footpaths, hurting pedestrians or worse.

'E-scooters have safety risks, let's encourage people back into 2-ton fossil-fuel-burning cars instead!' If we want a future of EVs, we need to figure out how to include personal light EVs, not just very expensive full-size-car replacements for the wealthy.

> 'E-scooters have safety risks, let's encourage people back into 2-ton fossil-fuel-burning cars instead!'

You somehow believe that the only options on the table for personal transport is either "2-ton fossil-fuel-burning cars" or the miraculous selfless service sold by a couple of multinationals.

It must be hard to intentionally ignore all the public transportation services in all shapes and forms, like railway, bus services, metro, trams, ride share, and even municipal bike sharing services,

and also ignore other personal transportation modes such as motorcycles, bikes and personal scooters

and also ignore e-car sharing services

and also ignore ride share services like taxicabs and etrikes.

For you, the only choice is either a gas-guzzler or the glorious service provided by a multinational.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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The whole argument about "they clog the streets" and annoy me is absolutely contrary to the actual incentives to cheaper and more ecological transport. It's a very NIMBY type of thinking. Hey, Citizen, if you don't have the means to buy, store and charge your own and occasionally would need one to deal with the craziness and unreliability of public transport, we are going to make it harder on you. Many countries in E…

This rant is is very off base. European countries are in aggregate extremely pro bike/pedestrian. The scooter issue is particularly in focus, because in big cities the competition to become the main player has created a ton of competing companies trying to place their scooters all over the place. I don't mind it myself - I use them in the summer. But I have had to literally step over, or move around a pile of scooter…

My rant is really ON base but it reflects a demographic very different from the one in HN and will get downvoted as always when something goes against a narrative. It's very easy to parrot the typical points.

> European countries are in aggregate extremely pro bike/pedestrian

Lol. This is just an ignorant talking point from someone who compares everything to the US. It's like saying healthcare is good (and generalizing as if every country in Europe belonged to a monolith) just because healthcare in the US sucks.

The reality is that having options like these empowers people who don't belong to the tier that owns cars and has sheds or places to store their e-vehicles.

In many cities, these non car options keep getting worse and more expensive and everything seems geared to those who have more money and privilege and people just have to 'take it'.

But hell, let's call it a rant, simplify the issue and outright ban stuff so that people who don't benefit from something can feel more comfortable.

With that logic, Let's ban motorcycles. I don't like their noise and don't have one. They're definitely unsafe and cause accidents. Oh, but we're not going to that.

So there's bad etiquette around scooter placement and you ban it. The same thing can happen with free parking e-bikes. Why can't you find a solution that doesn't ban e-scooters?

You just admitted use them "on occasion" so they're not really useful to you, so you're fine with removing them from others that actually might take advantage.

It's the thing I keep pointing out. People from certain positions screwing over others because they're inconvenienced instead of requesting the gov to do better if they want better order or something.

It's all rather classist but it happens with everything.

Lesson for people: have more money, have cars, live in suburbs, have spaces where you can store your vehicles. Or get screwed by decreasing quality of public transport.

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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it's more control than letting people own them, in a certain aspect of course, carelessness is a problem but that also happens with so-called Boris bikes (Livingstone bikes)

> carelessness is a problem but that also happens with so-called Boris bikes (Livingstone bikes) no. They are returned to docking stations. Other schemes litter the pavement

perhaps they do it more

I live near the DLR and I see vandalised, abandoned Boris bikes on the regular

Re: Paris votes to ban rental e-scooters

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Parisian here, for context I've been cycling to work for about 10 years now (before Paris transformed into a cycle-friendly city). There are a lot of speculations and hypothesis from people who don't live in Paris and try to apply their experience in a different city to Paris, so allow me to offer the experience (obviously I'm biased) of someone living there. The first big misconception is that this ban is only due t…

> What is replaced is a subway, bus, bike, or walking trip. Perhaps on some rare occasions a taxi/Uber. Apart from that last rare occasion, all other alternatives are MORE eco-friendly than the e-scooters. I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. A survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced publ…

> survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars

I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber.

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