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The day Windows died

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Re: The day Windows died

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> I guess I'll crawl back into my cave and keep using Linux for the foreseeable future. Apple makes laptops, TV streamers, and tablets. Is there some reason you're avoiding them?

https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/apple

The original poster was trying Windows, Android and Roku devices. If this sort of thing bothered them, they would never have even tried.

Re: The day Windows died

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I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad from Costco for about $500. The last time I bought a computer preloaded with Windows was about a decade ago. My experience so far: I turn it on, there's a license agreement. Actually, there's two. One is from Microsoft, and it's rather long but I guess it's about par for the course. Then there's the Lenovo license agreement, which is actually a bunch of other license agreements concaten…

And that was just the install process. Soon you'll start using it and you'll quickly come to despise anything Windows-related. A good tangent is this absolutely marvelous video put out by the Microsoft Teams people, where they compare the performance of the "classic" version to the brand-new version. A sight to behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4

I really thought this was satire, at first. How low are the expectations from 2020s hardware?

Re: The day Windows died

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Browser support (including Safari support) is the main reason why expensive desktop Macs eventually become paperweights, as has happened to my father in the last year. Safari, Firefox, Chrome, all stuck at ancient and insecure versions, with the web slowly breaking on these older browsers. Despite how glossy and powerful the machine still is, if it doesn't have a working web browser it's only semi-valid. Watched my D…

Open Core Legacy patcher might help get a few extra years out of your Mac: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

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Re: The day Windows died

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post #485

I just bought a Lenovo Ideapad from Costco for about $500. The last time I bought a computer preloaded with Windows was about a decade ago. My experience so far: I turn it on, there's a license agreement. Actually, there's two. One is from Microsoft, and it's rather long but I guess it's about par for the course. Then there's the Lenovo license agreement, which is actually a bunch of other license agreements concaten…

Oh and don't get me started about the latency all the trash causes to the start menu. I had this routine, computer starts, you press win-key type 2 letters hit enter and the program you want starts instantly.

Since Windows 11 this is horribly slow, like seconds sometimes, especially the first load. I can assure you this is not my hardware setup.

Clearly their goal is not "provide the best, smooth and performant user experience we can possibly squeeze out of our OS".

Re: The day Windows died

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It's really sad that there is no where for us to go in the desktop OS space right now. I, weirdly, daily drive all 3 OSes. MacOS; Work issued laptop and longish-time user (about 6 years with it). Windows; Desktop PC mostly for games. I've been using Windows since I could walk. Fedora; Desktop PC, dual booted which I use for most everything else. I cannot believe how much of a dumpster fire Windows has become. From th…

> but no matter how much I love it, Linux is janky. To be honest though, so is Windows (in certain aspects). I believe that someone who works with Linux every day, gets used to certain stuff being janky and no longer notices it - just like someon working with Windows every day gets used to the jank found there, and no longer notices it. It's only when you are used to one system and switch over to the other, that you…

Check out chocolatey. It's the package manager that Windows lacks.

Re: The day Windows died

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post #441

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Have you ever tried to develop GUI applications for GNOME versus macOS/Windows tooling?

It's a bit of an exaggeration, but I've written the whole Linux application in the same time that I needed to get my build environment working on Windows. I still don't know how people can like developing on Windows, especially if it involves anything regarding C/C++ libs. (Not using a paid version of Visual Studio, fwiw).

The fact that you lack the experience with proper Windows development tooling kind of shows, it isn't an exageration, otherwise you would realize how stone age is anything Gtk+ related, specially after Glade was killed.

Re: The day Windows died

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This post is basically about the author's nostalgia for his early days of computing with Windows 95 and how he wanted his son to have the same experience. This post is screaming out for Linux. Linux is the solution to his dilemma. If he reformats that drive and puts say Kubuntu on it - the kid's first PC experience is going to be a vaguely retro 90's style shell with a start menu, the start menu is going to have a Ga…

This post is also saying he wants to protect his child from social media _and_ have the ability to do so. Windows on the other hand, is saying, we're in charge, and no, we'll make sure you can't (easily) uninstall any of this. I never thought I'd see an OS become a thinly veiled advertisement platform, but here we are in 2023. It was tradition, even 20 years ago to "dump on Windows", but that was generally by program…

Similar story here, but with Windows 10 instead of Windows 8. Adding advertisement to the basic UI is unacceptable and not even Android does this by default (I think even the Pixel isn't doing that). However there are some Android derivates that are doing this or are even built to do exactly that (FireOS).

I already hate the future when this becomes so ubiquituous that you cannot avoid this anymore without shooting yourself in the foot.

Re: The day Windows died

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And that was just the install process. Soon you'll start using it and you'll quickly come to despise anything Windows-related. A good tangent is this absolutely marvelous video put out by the Microsoft Teams people, where they compare the performance of the "classic" version to the brand-new version. A sight to behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4

Oh wow, they unironically posted a video that a chat application takes 9 seconds to launch. What is wrong with computing?

...and they're congratulating themselves on having reduced the memory overhead of a chat app from ~1GB to ~500MB.

Re: The day Windows died

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windows is a decent gaming platform if your approach it pragmatically.

- do a clean install via usb from the freely available official installers.

- create/login with microsoft account (yes, you must. this is fine).

- run hellzerg/optimizer and check every option.

- avoid entering sensitive information aside from what’s needed (steam/epic credentials, msft account).

for serious work, arch with any windowing setup can be installed on a second ssd.

separate disk makes dual boot easy since you just choose disk via bios boot options.

alpine unfortunately doesn’t have nvidia drivers yet.

Re: The day Windows died

#560

It's really sad that there is no where for us to go in the desktop OS space right now. I, weirdly, daily drive all 3 OSes. MacOS; Work issued laptop and longish-time user (about 6 years with it). Windows; Desktop PC mostly for games. I've been using Windows since I could walk. Fedora; Desktop PC, dual booted which I use for most everything else. I cannot believe how much of a dumpster fire Windows has become. From th…

What basic desktop functionality is degraded? I mean, I understand the ads, and the push towards cloud with OneDrive. But what functionality has been degraded? As far as I can tell, Windows still has the best multi-monitor support of the 3, and pretty good window management defaults out of the box. Driver support out of the box as well, and rock-solid stable DE. macOS, on the other hand, has this weird ideas of windo…

Search is an immediate stand out feature. I rarely use shortcuts these days, just "Super + 'term' + Enter" Windows start menu search is almost non deterministic these days.

When working from home, I often switch between audio devices - this is something that was easier in previous versions of Windows, same with messing with the audio mixer to change the volume of different apps.

The start menu as a whole is _entirely_ useless now. You can't drag shortcuts onto it, you can drag shortcuts from it, who knows how to add items to it.

App data storage can get wacky with state stored who knows where. AppData, ProgramData, Local. They wanted to make everything UWP apps, which store stuff differently to legacy apps and then they changed that again - so now apps store stuff in like 4 places.

OneDrive rewrites locations like Desktop, Documents, etc so you have two Documents folders - one isn't used but it's there because... it's there. Some apps write to one of the folders and other apps write to the other.

Interacting with settings in any meaningful way. Network proxies are entirely broken on Windows 10 and 11 - with no diagnostic output or way to know they are active.

They announced the beautiful window decorations of Windows 11 (which I like) but there is no API to build apps using it - at least not that I can tell. There is the WinUI library, but the examples on the Windows developer website don't even compile and they don't seem to care about it at all.

--- That said ---

Windows absolutely _crushes_ window management and file admin. Nothing comes close for that.

Tiling is perfect. Windows explorer is rational and powerful.

Finder is not even 5% as good. However MacOS and Gnome do workspaces in multi monitor setups way better than Windows (separate workspaces per monitor).

IMO the _only_ thing MacOS has going for it is a bash terminal that is well integrated into the OS. WSL1 was a great start, WSL2 sucks. I would rather use Windows with WSL1 (or MSYS2) but there are no Windows laptops with 12 hour battery lives and a lucrative contract with my employer.

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