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What broke Sweden? Real estate bust exposes big divide

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Re: What broke Sweden? Real estate bust exposes big divide

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Post by slaw »

ricardobayes wrote: post #403
slaw wrote: post #370

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Could you point me to these plenty cheap areas? I work remotely and may consider moving there.

I like to browse the real estate market just for fun sometimes and actually yes there are cheap areas in every country. Some are cheap due to remoteness, due to inventory or mismanagement/decline. Like in mentioned in another comment, (south) Spain has incredibly cheap properties because there are many available and mortgages are available to even non-residents (not necessarily _in_ cities, but within a 30 min radius…

Are these properties 'cheap' because of they can be stolen easily by okupas?

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Post by reducesuffering »

brailsafe wrote: post #647
reducesuffering wrote: post #272

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Vancouver is not a mystery. Geographically constrained in 3 directions. Only decent-weather locale for Canadians (US has hundreds of release valves for people that get sick of prices in SF / NYC / etc.) Large rich Chinese immigration.

For Vancouver's geography to be a legitimate concern, we would have needed to maximize what we could do with the existing land, and it's very, very far from that. I would argue the latter 2 arguments have some bearing, but imo it's more about cheap capital coming in from many directions including locally for so long in combination with artificially choked and inflated development processes for decades. For example, t…

The geography wouldn't be a problem if maximizing use of the land was done. You point out the choked development processes, but other open geography locales would still have those bureaucratic problems in cases and yet just sprawl out elsewhere, reducing prices. Take a look at Houston, Dallas Fort-Worth, Calgary, Edmonton metros. There is a reason those metros have retained low housing prices while they have grown so much. They are able to grow out. Vancouver and SF are much more limited in their ability to grow out Single Family Homes when high-rise development is choked. That's why the geography issue does have bearing.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #538
AdrianB1 wrote: post #65

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I grew up in a village in the mountains where the closest neighbors were 500m away. At age 14, just before moving, I counted half a dozen attractive females of the same age (plus minus 1 year) in the village, that means 2-3 km away but still very much in reach on foot or by bicycle. I have most of my extended family there and there was no problem dating, marrying and having long term relations. There is a small town…

>I grew up in a village in the mountains where the closest neighbors were 500m away. At age 14, just before moving, I counted half a dozen attractive females of the same age You are completely moving the goalposts. Read my comment again please. I was talking about the dating market of twenty and thirty year olds, not that of school teenagers. How's the dating scene of single twenty to thirty year olds in your village…

My cousin moved to Cluj (200 km away) for college, then came back and opened a small business; he has more work than qualified workers, but he is getting better with that. In the past 5 years he had 2 girlfriends and now a wife, all with college degrees and all willing to relocate. It is very true some young people are still emigrating, mostly the ones with no useful skills, doing cheap jobs in the Netherlands or Germany, but for the ones that want to stay there are opportunities even in many small cities or even villages.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #363
AdrianB1 wrote: post #58

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You got the communist part wrong. If you are born in 1989 as your name suggests, I see why you got it wrong, like that entire generation and the generations after that, but it does not makes it right. Food shortage in Romania had a very different cause.

What exactly did I get wrong?

The food shortage situation.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

LegitShady wrote: post #641
bryanlarsen wrote: post #579

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Sure, if the parent had said that the government was ineffective in its attempts to fix the problem I would have agreed. But they said they were doing nothing, and it was just so ironic the comment came on the day one of several attempts the government has made to address the problem.

ah I see, completely ineffectual tax breaks for already wealthy is different from nothing, so you're going to nitpick instead of trying to communicate a position. I think I've seen where you're coming from, and I'm uninterested in any more of your opinion.

I see you have a fine appreciation for irony.

Housing and zoning are a provincial responsibility. You can blame Trudeau and Harper for lots of stuff, but not the housing mess.

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Post by swimfar »

slaw wrote: post #645
jjav wrote: post #624

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> Could you point me to these plenty cheap areas? I work remotely and may consider moving there. They are all over. Head over to zillow/redfin (or the corresponding real estate site for your region) to see them. They won't be in the hip city center everyone wants, but choices are plentiful if one is willing to sacrifice a few wishlist items. "Cheap" is of course relative the the region/country so actual numbers will…

200k is not cheap.

$200k is about $1200/month for the mortgage, taxes, and insurance.

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Post by Haga »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #588
Bellend wrote: post #155

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I believe we are in a time where everyone is milking the 90s-20s real estate bubble and no one wants to be first to fold. Internationally, not just on a per country basis. As soon as say, French real estate collapses (or UK or USA or Germany etc), the whole rotten castle of cards will fold as well. If it doesn't you can enjoy the expensive property, but you won't be eating farmed foods, won't be in a clean environmen…

> everyone is milking the 90s-20s real estate bubble Look at the market statistics. It's not a bubble at all. Demand is legitimately very high and supply is very low (just look at the very low vacancy statistics). We have banned the construction of most new housing and this is the natural result.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #625
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #539

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>is enough for hatred and threats towards her. Even in "hip" places like Dresden. How does this look like? I was a foreigner in east Germany and never experienced any hate directed towards me because I'm different.

" I was a foreigner in east Germany and never experienced any hate directed towards me because I'm different." Yeah well, how is your skin color and looks then? Western? Then why would there be hate towards you?

I'm definitely not white "BIO-Deutsch" looking if that's what you're asking.

But you still haven't told me exactly how the hate has manifested towards your half latino girlfriend in East Germany.

From my findings I find a lot of people are just snowflakes that exagerate the perceived hate towards them, for example if the waiter, service worker, bus driver, etc. was rude or mean to them, they immediately assume people are being racist and are hate targeting them for their race/skin color. No, bro, that's just the traditional East German "friendliness" or they're just dicks to everyone, nothing to do with hate or racism.

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Post by Glawen »

badpun wrote: post #546
throwawaybbq1 wrote: post #126

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I would have gladly had more kids if I could have afforded a place to put them. Do you know what a 3 bed condo costs in Toronto? It is financial suicide.

In my parents generation in communist Poland, people had 2-3 children families in flats no bigger than 500-750 sqft. When there's a will, there's a way, and people just truy wanted to have children back then. While nowadays, it seems that there's always some excuse in the way.

This. People lived more frugally, nearly never went on vacation, had very small cars.

Now it seems everything needs to be ready before having children: big house, big car, career.

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