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The day Windows died

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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by katbyte »

josephcsible wrote: post #87
hedora wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, SIP can be disabled. Having said that, Linux is way more appropriate than MacOS for the preschool to highschool crowd. It's bursting with educational resources, and it's relatively easy to set up a locked-down non-administrator account that's appropriate for kiddos (e.g., lots of programming environments and educational games from the 90s; no internet access. If you need cloud backup, you can use cron +…

> In fairness, SIP can be disabled. For now. A year ago, I predicted that this will change within 10 years, and I still stand by what I said then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31067592

people have been saying such things for nearly as long as SIP has existed. going on 7 years now and still just as easy to disable.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by pessimizer »

DonHopkins wrote: post #32
josephcsible wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

That's from Microsoft's and Apple's marketing material, not a reflection of reality.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by qbasic_forever »

afavour wrote: post #100
qbasic_forever wrote: post #65

Setup your 10 year old with bleeding edge Arch Linux, add a script to automatically update nightly (or even hourly lol), and give them a secondary device like a tablet loaded up with access to arch wiki, every man page, etc. but nothing else. They will be an absolute Linux wizard in months and maybe a core contributor soon after.

And they won’t be able to complete their school work

Arguably they'll be learning more valuable skills than some of the schoolwork teaches.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by MBCook »

mikerg87 wrote: post #23

It’s not Windows. It’s the broken social contract the entire PC industry has in believing it’s ok flood us with ads and surveillance driven “marketing”. Any retail PC is a sewer of bloat and crap ware.

People want low prices, and care about little else. Possibly because it’s simply one of the easiest to understand metrics. How does a Ryzen 4678v compare to an i12363k? I follow computers and have no idea.

Price matters a lot even if you do know all the ultra-technical things.

How do you make computers cheaper than the next guy? Subsidizing. Who will pay? Ads and internet companies.

People complain Apple stuff is overpriced. It’s not subsidized by Intel or AMD or Candy Crush or TMZ.

Yeah they like their profit margins (especially upgrades). But they only shill for themselves (which IS getting annoying). They’re not angels. Still sounds better than that experience to me.

Without a privacy law to make data collection illegal or something to make junk legally easy to remove… this is where the race to the bottom goes.

It’s just like what happened to TVs. You can’t buy a consumer model at any price that doesn’t suck. $4500? Still tracks you and wants to push apps.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #65

Setup your 10 year old with bleeding edge Arch Linux, add a script to automatically update nightly (or even hourly lol), and give them a secondary device like a tablet loaded up with access to arch wiki, every man page, etc. but nothing else. They will be an absolute Linux wizard in months and maybe a core contributor soon after.

I’ve run arch and gentoo for years, i’ll be setting up my kid with a mac unless he expresses extreme interest in the depths of linux. Learning linux trivia is misrepresented as virtuous and there are more useful things to do with your time.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by onli »

wrycoder wrote: post #66
pedalpete wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What distro did you go for? I'm thinking about moving to linux, I'm avoiding a Windows 11 upgrade, and am not a fan of mac.

If you like simplicity, Alpine.

Just not if gaming is the goal. Steam would be only available as a Flatpak, says https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Steam. And the Flatpak version is problematic.

Void would be a better choice if liking simplicity. Or to keep it simple, maybe Pop!_OS. Or Debian. Or Arch. Pretty much everything not Alpine ;)

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by jmspring »

doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

I ran windows 1.0 back in the day through 11 (arm) in a VM now. I ran OS/2 at a prior employer years back so I could do builds for Windows 16 as well as do other work. Windows is a tool. I have run laptops using Windows to FreeBSD. I run MacOS as a choice because Linux sucks for dealing with multiple environments and printers and the things that make a "desktop OS" useful.

Windows 10 / 11 let marketing be stupid and added things like Candy Crush, etc. I'm not a fan and wish they had done different. There are things to "like" about windows - backward compatibility being one that has been pretty amazing.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by chasing »

I just had to set up the first Windows machine I’ve owned in 20 years. Between Windows 11 itself and the garbage the hardware manufacturer throw on there, it’s awful. Upsells everywhere. Horseshit I do not want clotting things up. After spending most of my time on macOS it was really quite shocking to see how atrocious things are on the Windows side. I’m sure you can eventually get things tuned how you want, but who’s going to trust an OS that so anti-user right out of the box?
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