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The day Windows died

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Re: The day Windows died

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Post by bee_rider »

doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

Windows is weird, from a Linux or MacOS point of view. It is always broken, but also poorly written, so the user can just make a workflow happen by accumulating kludges.

I think Microsoft might have hired too many people who were familiar with other operating systems, resulting in a Windows 11 that actually manages to implement their vision.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

tonymet wrote: post #11

I’m not a big fan of these features and i turn them off right away. MS is going to where the consumers are. anyone under 30 will expect this content . imagine a 20 year old using windows 2k and the only real apps are notepad and ms paint . We give companies too much blame for providing consumers what they want. MS could do a better job with transparency and control of these features. But i don’t believe the blame is…

> anyone under 30 will expect this content

I'm under 30, and I absolutely do not expect my OS to push this crap on me.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by jkepler »

DonHopkins wrote: post #32
josephcsible wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless. ;)

For basic office tasks and browsing the Internet, Debian stable won't waste your time: it should just work.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by hedora »

josephcsible wrote: post #20
doctor_eval wrote: post #13

Having never lived in a Windows world I had no idea what life was like on the other side. So many times on HN I read about how MacOS is bad for the user, locked down, rubbish etc etc. But if this article is true then Windows 11 is absolutely insane. That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. Not poor documentation. Not first party apps. While those of us who use Apple’s OS fear for the worst, those in Windows ap…

> That is what anti consumer looks like. Not SIP. It's not an either-or. Both of those are super anti-consumer. If you want an OS without anti-consumer "features", then install Linux.

In fairness, SIP can be disabled. Having said that, Linux is way more appropriate than MacOS for the preschool to highschool crowd. It's bursting with educational resources, and it's relatively easy to set up a locked-down non-administrator account that's appropriate for kiddos (e.g., lots of programming environments and educational games from the 90s; no internet access. If you need cloud backup, you can use cron + rsync).

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by qbasic_forever »

Setup your 10 year old with bleeding edge Arch Linux, add a script to automatically update nightly (or even hourly lol), and give them a secondary device like a tablet loaded up with access to arch wiki, every man page, etc. but nothing else. They will be an absolute Linux wizard in months and maybe a core contributor soon after.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by wrycoder »

pedalpete wrote: post #45
surgical_fire wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently moved back to Linux, perhaps permanently. What kept me from it was not being able to reliably play games, but I can confirm that is no longer a problem. I can't properly describe how happy this makes me.

What distro did you go for? I'm thinking about moving to linux, I'm avoiding a Windows 11 upgrade, and am not a fan of mac.

If you like simplicity, Alpine.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by gerdesj »

eganist wrote: post #16

Microsoft has a habit of flipping settings back to stock, but so far as I know, this has never happened for group policy. I've been using GPOs to reliably flip things off in Windows 10 Can't speak to 11 but I imagine it's the same; GPOs are one of the few things Microsoft wants to make sure never break with an update given the market that uses them.

Well yes and no.

Did you know you can't set your login wallpaper without an enterprise or education license via GPO? It won't tell you that's the problem when it doesn't work but it is at least documented in the GPO itself - so you need to notice that a pretty basic feature is POSH license only. I'm one of those rare people who actually read messages and docs and hence I eventually spotted it when roughly 20 people diagnosing a snag had not. I'm also the PHB (actually I have very little hair) so, in your face: Dilbert.

Features that are offered but silently fail is wankery of the first order to add to your flipping back of settings - hello again Edge you fucking numpty!

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by superchroma »

uberman wrote: post #2

Something smells off about this. The author pulled an old laptop from under their desk and was able to install windows 11? Not likely in my experience. How did the author even get a windows 11 install since they claim they have not used windows since version 8. Will any win8 laptop even support an upgrade to 11? I doubt it. Why not get linux running on the old laptop. Mint likely installs just fine. I'm not saying wi…

I've done it. You need to edit the registry during install and it's all fine.

Re: The day Windows died

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Post by drpixie »

josephcsible wrote: post #48
judge2020 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What configs are you talking about? Because most things in the official UIs are carefully crafted to be permanent user preferences that windows updates don't touch.

If this is a good-faith question, then I assume you don't use Windows as your primary OS. After most major Windows updates, you'll see new crapware in the Start menu and get nagged to set up a Microsoft account and have your default programs switched back to the Microsoft ones, no matter how many times you said "no, and never ask again" before.

Yup. I even find network (!!) settings disappearing or changing. (shakes head sadly)
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