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‘Preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life’

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This article seems like something I should read, but I'm not sure if I want to. As someone with parents and inlaws who are in their early to mid 70s and quite worried about losing them, I'm not sure if I'm ready to read this. Does anyone have any tips on how to deal with the pre-loss anxiety?

I recently learned I have - at best - 2 years to live. Prognosis is fatal in 100% of cases, no known cure and only weak compensatory treatments of any kind. I'm in my 30s. Not religious either so I don't have the comfort of expecting an afterlife. I've been through a lot of hard things but I was always taught how to be resourceful and make it through hard times to the other side. No one teaches you how to die. There…

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post #23

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I was raised in a religion and I'm considering returning to it. It gave me peace, and although I know I may be deluding myself, I like the effects. I think I can hold both views in myself, this religion serves me, but it may be wrong and I understand it doesn't serve everyone and it's okay if others choose other religions or no religion. I will also be much more hesitant to give money to my religion. So far it has he…

I see the number of priests abusing children, and take that as an example that, neither religion made them a better person, neither they seem afraid of the after life they preach about...

Your comment started a tangential discussion, but it's not really relevant to what I said. The fact that religion personally helps me with my death anxiety isn't changed by the flaws of religion. I know there are flaws, I know it's probably all made up, I keep a healthy distance, but again, none of this changes the fact that it helps my anxiety. Humans have been making up beliefs to help with death for a long time, and I'm consciously choosing to do like them.

Re: ‘Preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life’

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No one probably wants to hear this but my partner's grandmother was in hospice. Her grandmother had so much anxiety about dying (she was in her late 90s) that the hospice just kept her doped up with morphine 24/7 (this is a lot more common than you'd imagine). When she was sober enough to realize what was happening she'd just scream. Anyway, that really did a number on me for the next few months. Seeing someone so di…

Why do you think anyone spends their time doped up on opiates? It's not like any of us isn't going to die relatively soon and we all know it.

Re: ‘Preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life’

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post #67

I follow author Joyce Carol Oates on Twitter (we're about the same age) and she said something that liberated me. About memoirs she said something like "nobody reads them, not even your own family." I realized that was true because I know someone who wrote one and nobody cared. It freed me up so I could really get the message of Ram Dass in "Becoming Nobody." I used to work in health care and once there was a patient…

You have to really work at it to truly die alone. Someone somewhere is going to remember you fondly unless you were a complete asshole. This is often the fate of lifetime narcissists who no longer have the energy or presence of mind to maintain the façade. Even the most vicious of bigots have well-wishers at their funerals. You have to mess up hard to be less liked than a Fred Phelps type.

Not having kids also produces this dynamic. A childless person is less likely to have strong connections amongst the still-vigorous once they're very old.

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post #70

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“At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?” — Jack Kornfield

I have been inculcated to ask those questions, yet I don’t even know the answer nor how to answer, let alone how to do it.

For me, the answer to those questions lies in my relationships. Even the ones that go sour: did you love well? Did you have a lot of quality time with them?

Realize that every relationship (family, friends, lovers, spouses) ends in separation. Every one, whether through estrangement or death. And that is natural and normal. Not depressing. Just is.

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post #30

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“It’s simply a matter of the human race deciding…” You misread what I said. I never said it was a simple problem, I said it was simply a matter of deciding to solve the problem. The Apollo program, for comparison, took 400,000 people a decade to get to the moon, and 2.5% of GDP. https://www.planetary.org/space-policy/cost-of-apollo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_program If we agree the problem will be solved, t…

No, you misread what I said. "Simply a matter of deciding to solve the problem" is not "simple" by any means. There's no political incentive to solve cancer since isn't a problem that brings political advantage when solved, like there's no political "race to the moon" with a rival country that happened with Apollo. Race to the moon decided because USA and USSR went into a game of who gets there first; cancer has no s…

Seeing as you're getting tripped up on the word "simple", the sentiment can be rephrased without using that word:

Where there is a will, there is a way.

If people can be convinced to do something, they will. History proves this as an absolute fact.

Re: ‘Preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life’

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post #84

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I have a former colleague who published his memoirs after his retirement, which I eagerly read, and I’m glad I did. Actually made me think random business memoirs could be a rich vein of untapped entertainment/edification.

Memoirs and autobiographies are often good, even when they come from everyday people. In general they are short, quick reads that are highly personal and offers their best stories, jokes, and lessons.

It's hard to explain but this feels like an AI generated comment. Either way I agree with the sentiment, more people should give this kind of non-fiction a try.

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post #92

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It isn’t an unbounded problem, and we aren’t powerless. Our bodies even have mechanisms to handle copy faults, either destroying the rouge or repairing the damage. There are gaps and holes, but our bodies are not naive to the problem (which would make it orders of magnitude harder to solve).

I disagree. Our cells are spaghetti code, the worst technical debt created by the random chances of evolution. There are multiple competing systems (e.g. telomeres) at cross purposes. Think trying to patch up bad software: you can perhaps make some small improvements to reliability, but overall there are so many thousands of errors due to design flaws that you cannot fix the system overall. To fix cancer would requir…

All of us have some amount of cancerous cells at any given point in time, we just don't notice most of the time because our body is quite adept at detecting and neutralizing cancerous cells before they become a problem.

What we call "cancer" are the cancer cells that managed to slip past the body's defences, so "curing cancer" doesn't necessitate addressing all cell copy errors. We just need to figure out how to deal with the small handful our body can't address.

Re: ‘Preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life’

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post #69

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“At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?” — Jack Kornfield

This is reductive in that it implies if the answers are yes you won’t be the one sitting in bed screaming or drugged up. I’ve seen this situation enough (whole family works in hospice) to know it’s not the case. Do the best you can, but at the end of the day you either go super fast or it’s super scary and often painful. Drugs help.

> This is reductive

> at the end of the day you either go super fast or it’s super scary

Ironically, I find this statement reductive and unnuanced, not the Jack Kornfield quote.

You have no idea how the people you observed screaming in fear lived and loved in their lives.

Re: ‘Preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life’

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I follow author Joyce Carol Oates on Twitter (we're about the same age) and she said something that liberated me. About memoirs she said something like "nobody reads them, not even your own family." I realized that was true because I know someone who wrote one and nobody cared. It freed me up so I could really get the message of Ram Dass in "Becoming Nobody." I used to work in health care and once there was a patient…

Thank you for your anecdote. It's interesting and valuable to think about.

What's frustrating to me in my own position in life is this feeling that so much is out of my control. So in a sense it's like seeing others stealing my life from me or some such thing. Through ignorance, or bias, or malice, or whatever the case might be, it's not knowing how to do what you'd like, even when it seems relatively modest.

So this perspective, of "preparing to die has a lot to do with having had a good life," has started to take on this other perspective. Frankly it makes me a bit angry, to read advice coming from people of relatively good social status, who have the privilege to write a book that garners attention because of their own vocation, to do an interview about their ability to do carpentry in their spare time, to have the resources for it. But what about the individuals shut out of those opportunities, whatever it is they wanted?

I'm not really sure what my underlying point is but the article and your story seem like complements to me, and touch on frustrations I have with society in general, and what I see as lost opportunities for having a life one sees as good. I have mixed feelings about articles like this because they never go further than the personal despair of those experiencing the despair, and not into the deeper issues. If dying peacefully means having a satisfying life, why are we so focused on the pain at the end, and not what gets them there, and what we can do differently?

It seems to me that the pain that accompanies euthanasia, suicide, and natural death are all the same pain at some level. And in all these cases the discussion is focused on that endpoint, not how to prevent it over the long run.

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