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UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#31

The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.

I'm not sure where you got those figures, but the NHS pay scales are public. https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/pay-scales-202223 Non-manager caps at ~£48k for most technical roles.

I'd imagine it's contractor rates.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#33

The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.

Can’t find anyone to do it in house, so let’s sign the £5m a year contract with my bartender to do it.

It’s like h1B in the US, but grift.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#34

For the non-British here. Taxes are paid automatically in the UK to the tax man through a system called "Pay As You Earn - PAYE". Take home pay is closer to 41k. If the applicant has a student loan. These might take 30 years to pay off at the default 6% from gross (3.3k). Then there are pension contributions too which are opt-out now at usually 5% gross (2.75k). All deducted automatically. No remote advertised, the a…

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Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#35
post #18

A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.

I worked at Coinbase making 140k GBP in base compensation. My SF based colleagues with the same job title were making 250k USD (so 202k GBP). We sat down one day and compared our household budgets line by line and in the end we estimated that 'money left over' for equivalent house, medical and kids education my American colleagues were slightly better off, but maybe only by 5-10k USD per year. Anecdatally ...

The fact that people living in SF managed to be ahead by anything proves there's a massive delta, especially since you're wording this in past-tense (SF has gotten cheaper depending on the timeline you consider)

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#36
post #18

A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.

100k in the U.K. assuming no student loans to repay would be £66,777 net.

Most things I purchase have no tax - food, housing, train fares.

The oil for this winter heating cost £1500 plus £75 vat.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#37
post #18

A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.

£100k in the UK a top 10% wage for the country, but the wages in the UK are massively skewed towards London and the South East.

As for the tax, we have progressive taxation in the UK. Earning £100k, you'd pay 0% on the first 12.5k, 25% on the next 70k or so, and 45% on the last 27.5k (numbers are from memory so they might be a little off). High wage earners are not giving up half their income in tax. That'd be silly.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#38
post #5

The worst part is that people are willing to supply their labour at this price level: "31 Applicants"

I'm sure at least 30 out of the 31 are woefully under-qualified. Even for a government role I would expect 2.5-3x the salary.

Who's qualified will be decided by some bureaucrat who couldn't tell ICMP from NSFW. Master of Science from Doddaballapura Imperial College? Say no more. Ransomwaring the UK Treasury would be awesome.

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

#39
post #18

A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.

I worked at Coinbase making 140k GBP in base compensation. My SF based colleagues with the same job title were making 250k USD (so 202k GBP). We sat down one day and compared our household budgets line by line and in the end we estimated that 'money left over' for equivalent house, medical and kids education my American colleagues were slightly better off, but maybe only by 5-10k USD per year. Anecdatally ...

Bare in mind at the time coinbase also paid above market rate in London (London rates were cut for new hires shortly after IIRC) (I also worked at CB London)

Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k

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post #21
post #9

London based as well. You’d earn more in Pret-a-Manger. Wages always put me off gov jobs as well as the bureaucracy.

Not necessarily: "The post can be based in London (1 Horse Guards Road), Norwich (Rosebery Court) or Darlington (Feethams House)."

Lucky them working in Darlington one week and Norwich the next!
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