London based as well. You’d earn more in Pret-a-Manger. Wages always put me off gov jobs as well as the bureaucracy.
Not necessarily:
"The post can be based in London (1 Horse Guards Road), Norwich (Rosebery Court) or Darlington (Feethams House)."
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#22The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.
It would be interesting to see what the pension is like for this position - you're giving up lifetime earnings for retirement earnings (and "serving your country").
UK civil service is a defined benefit scheme that each year from state pension age pays 1/42 of your average salary multiplied by the number of years you worked there. It's inflation linked. You also need to contribute several percent of your salary (various bands). The Government Actuarial Department modelling implies a cost to the employer of around 30% of basic salary.
Re: UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k
#23The thing I don't get about it is that not all UK public services are like this. I know as a fact that senior programmers with the NHS make 70-80k. A project lead can get close to 100k. No idea what the Treasury is thinking here.
I remember seeing a job listing for head of cybersecurity at the NHS maybe 4 years or so ago. It was for about 60K I think.
Maybe the programmers pay is different but seems the NHS was offering similar salary to this listing.
I remember finding it funny because it was not too long after the NHS was attacked with the wannacry virus.
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#24I think the job title is misleading, from the job listing: > We are looking for an experienced Head of Cyber Security to lead a team of two cyber analysts > We are a team of around 40, responsible for the Treasury’s technology, security and knowledge and information management services. So it's not _the_ Head - but _a_ head, and that 'head' has a relatively minor / junior manager role.
Sounds to me like it is _the_ Head of Cyber Security, but there are other technology roles outside of Cyber Security in the "team".
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#25The worst part is that people are willing to supply their labour at this price level: "31 Applicants"
The people applying for this job are probably not the people you want to hire...
You'll always get applicants, no matter how low you are compared to the market rate but the quality of the applications will suffer.
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#26They’ll get someone who wants it on their resume and wants the network so they can move to private sector and sell back to the same department. The ole public-private two-step.
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Sunday, casual racism day.
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#28For the non-British here.
Taxes are paid automatically in the UK to the tax man through a system called "Pay As You Earn - PAYE".
Take home pay is closer to 41k.
If the applicant has a student loan. These might take 30 years to pay off at the default 6% from gross (3.3k). Then there are pension contributions too which are opt-out now at usually 5% gross (2.75k). All deducted automatically.
No remote advertised, the average commute costs £50 a week in London.
The real wage here is 35k~ for someone university educated and wants a retirement pension excluding travel.
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#29A bit of a detraction from the link but can anyone who's lived for a significant amount of time in both the UK and the US confirm that £100k is equivalent to $200k? It seems fairly unlikely to me as UK tax and NI would be around 50% plus everything you purchase has 20% VAT. Sure medical insurance in the US is insane but surely that doesn't quite cover it.
I worked at Coinbase making 140k GBP in base compensation.
My SF based colleagues with the same job title were making 250k USD (so 202k GBP).
We sat down one day and compared our household budgets line by line and in the end we estimated that 'money left over' for equivalent house, medical and kids education my American colleagues were slightly better off, but maybe only by 5-10k USD per year.
Anecdatally ...
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#30it says mid-senior level