Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes • Hacker News Board

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by stavros » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 1:24 AM UTC

20after4 wrote: post #60

xchkr1337 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Mozilla focused more on Linux support. I tried switching to Firefox multiple times, and in day-to-day use I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches etc. Problems like this never happen when I'm using Firefox on Windows, and honestly the state of Firefox on Linux is kind of surprising since it's the most commonly recommended and preinstalled brows…

I'm using Firefox on Linux¹ and I have experienced none of those problems. Although I'm not particularly happy with the direction that Mozilla has been headed, Firefox is certainly a vast improvement over Chrome or even Chromium. 1. Latest version of Firefox (not ESR), Latest Debian, both Intel & AMD graphics. I can't speak for NVIDIA graphics on Linux as I gave up on NVIDIA a few years ago.

Agreed, I have the same experience. I switched to Vivaldi lately because of tab groups, I want to switch back to Firefox because Vivaldi has various annoyances but tab groups are keeping me from going back.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by charcircuit » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 1:24 AM UTC

jraph wrote: post #61

qwertox wrote: post #44

> As we head towards Manifest V3 migration, we are intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines. Here's some feedback: If uBlock Origin loses full control over what gets loaded and what not, I will immediately uninstall Chrome from all my and my family's devices and switch back to Firefox, after a decade of using Chrome as the main browser. I will then also recommend the excl…

uBlock Origin already has less control in Chrome than in Firefox. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

That list is outdated. For example Chrome supports cname uncloaking.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by tectec » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 2:16 AM UTC

flatiron wrote: post #99

jiggawatts wrote: post #92

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Not just Google, all of Silicon Valley. Here on HN, I regularly see comments along the lines of: "Wait, do people actually still use Windows on servers!?" Yes, yes they do.

In the last 10 years I haven’t had a single contract dealing with a windows server. Im sure that someone somewhere does indeed use it. But it’s gotta be 90%+ now a days Linux.

I think you’re proving his point. That 10% (if true) is probably running a lot of important stuff in F500 companies. You just haven’t been exposed to it.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by userbinator » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 2:25 AM UTC

malermeister wrote: post #88

Kye wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember getting into it with a Google person in a forum once. They kept insisting they couldn't do real, portable files in Google Drive for Docs because that would break collaboration. They didn't seem able to understand I didn't want collaboration. I wanted to be able to open my word processor/spreadsheet/etc files in other tools without needing to connect to the internet (predates offline mode). I wanted to be a…

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

That's exactly the saying that came to mind when I read the parent comment. These people have an agenda, the company one, to advocate for; and won't accept anything else.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by tadfisher » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 2:45 AM UTC

secondcoming wrote: post #94

xchkr1337 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Mozilla focused more on Linux support. I tried switching to Firefox multiple times, and in day-to-day use I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches etc. Problems like this never happen when I'm using Firefox on Windows, and honestly the state of Firefox on Linux is kind of surprising since it's the most commonly recommended and preinstalled brows…

Crappy font rendering is a Linux problem. The appearance of the same font in different applications can vary wildly. It’s really shit.

The appearance varies widely because everything has incompatible layers on top of freetype, some of which respect your Freetype configuration and others which take... _ahem_... liberties.

It also doesn't help when Mozilla and Google statically-link ancient font libraries in the name of security.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by flangola7 » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 2:47 AM UTC

tadfisher wrote: post #125

secondcoming wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crappy font rendering is a Linux problem. The appearance of the same font in different applications can vary wildly. It’s really shit.

The appearance varies widely because everything has incompatible layers on top of freetype, some of which respect your Freetype configuration and others which take... _ahem_... liberties. It also doesn't help when Mozilla and Google statically-link ancient font libraries in the name of security.

Isn't linking to outdated libraries a security threat?

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by flangola7 » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 2:49 AM UTC

bornfreddy wrote: post #35

tyingq wrote: post #16

Just fine tuning how slowly to boil the frogs. At some point, they will pull the trigger. My hypothesis is that the various entities that want to work around ad-blockers hold back for now, because they don't want to push people from the more basic blockers to the more advanced ones. Once this is in place, pretty much all adblockers of note are dns based, or semi-static list based...."basic". I wonder if there's a ren…

Or working on pressuring Firefox to implement MV3.

Why would Firefox need to implement any of this? It's their own browser running their own engine. Why would they need to implement Chrome anything?

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by iimblack » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 3:40 AM UTC

stavros wrote: post #121

20after4 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using Firefox on Linux¹ and I have experienced none of those problems. Although I'm not particularly happy with the direction that Mozilla has been headed, Firefox is certainly a vast improvement over Chrome or even Chromium. 1. Latest version of Firefox (not ESR), Latest Debian, both Intel & AMD graphics. I can't speak for NVIDIA graphics on Linux as I gave up on NVIDIA a few years ago.

Agreed, I have the same experience. I switched to Vivaldi lately because of tab groups, I want to switch back to Firefox because Vivaldi has various annoyances but tab groups are keeping me from going back.

Sideberry extension solves this for me

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by adithyassekhar » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:19 AM UTC

qwertox wrote: post #44

> As we head towards Manifest V3 migration, we are intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines. Here's some feedback: If uBlock Origin loses full control over what gets loaded and what not, I will immediately uninstall Chrome from all my and my family's devices and switch back to Firefox, after a decade of using Chrome as the main browser. I will then also recommend the excl…

If anyone from Mozilla is reading, I want to switch to Firefox. But I used to have a Firefox account with 2fa and lost my backup keys. The best part they won't even let me delete that account and start new even if I sent a mail from that same email account. I don't want to create another Gmail account just for Firefox.

Re: Pausing Manifest V2 phase-out changes

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Post by jjav » Sun, Apr 02, 2023, 4:55 AM UTC

kej wrote: post #46

qwertox wrote: post #44

> As we head towards Manifest V3 migration, we are intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines. Here's some feedback: If uBlock Origin loses full control over what gets loaded and what not, I will immediately uninstall Chrome from all my and my family's devices and switch back to Firefox, after a decade of using Chrome as the main browser. I will then also recommend the excl…

You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days.

> You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days.

Agree to that. Chrome might delay cutting off user control of web content but in the end they will push through what is best for google, in other words what is best for advertisers, in other words what's worst for me. As a public for-profit advertising company, they can't really do anything else.

Firefox rocks!