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9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by ShowSomeDecency »

Aperocky wrote: post #3
iab wrote: post #2

> Cedar had been purchased in April 2022 by Long for her 9-year-old daughter > “She loved him as a family pet,” the lawsuit says. > The family entered Cedar into the Shasta District Fair’s junior livestock auction on June 24, 2022,

> Long wrote that she had communicated with Dahle’s office, which did not object to the goat being saved from slaughter. > “I will pay you back for the goat and any other expenses I caused,” Long wrote. “I would like to ask for your support in finding a solution.” The buyer was fine with the withdrawal of the sale, however the middleman got angry: > “As a mother I am not unsympathetic regarding your daughter and her…

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Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by hollandays »

ops wrote: post #28
hollandays wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this article manipulative or related to ChatGPT?

I said GPT, not ChatGPT. But you could give ChatGPT the article, and ask it how it’s manipulative. For example, ask it whether or not the article states that there was an agreement between the buyer and the woman to sell the goat back (something that several people here have said with confidence). I suspect GPT could write a longer, more comprehensive article (given all of the same information the journalist had acce…

I was being nice about saying that most other commenters probably hadn't read to the end of the article by phrasing it as an opinion.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by clowd »

ops wrote: post #26
hollandays wrote: post #19

To me, this is the most important claim in the lawsuit: > From there, the goat was delivered to unnamed individuals at the fair “for slaughter/destruction” even though the warrant required them to hold the goat for a court hearing to determine its lawful owner, the lawsuit says. There was a property dispute, and the court issued a warrant to recover the property and hold it until a court hearing to decide ownership,…

To me, the most important thing here isn't the lawsuit, or the goat theft, or the woman's or fair's actions at all - it's how journalism can be used to manipulate smart people into thinking one thing is true, when it's not, and what that means in a post-GPT world. I think this type of journalism has been holding us back, as a society, and we now have the tools to fix it (or make it worse).

Are you saying that the SacBee article is misrepresenting something to "manipulate" people? What does it purport to be true that's not true?

The only problem GPT is fit to solve is an empty hard drive you'd like to have filled with random, useless garbage. But I don't understand how GPT is germane to this goat escapade in the first place.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by honkycat »

ops wrote: post #25
Aperocky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The buyer agreed to the reversed transaction, the middleman should just shut up.

Where is the proof that the buyer agreed to reverse the transaction? If it were true, there was no reason to commit theft, as the buyer chooses what happens to the goat (not the middleman). And of course, if they were to just shut up, that would encourage other goat thieves.

can you read? it was in the article. Actually based on your arguments you clearly can't.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by honkycat »

salad-tycoon wrote: post #18
oefnak wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a good way to raise vegans.

We raise our own chickens for meat, my young kids help. They eat meat. I don’t understand why you think lovingly care and raising your own meat would make you a vegan? We use these moments to teach respect and gratefulness even for animals we are about to slaughter, but not in a pagan pantheistic way. Kids get it pretty quickly frankly. They have much less “baggage” and No Agenda.

> I don’t understand why you think lovingly care and raising your own meat would make you a vegan?

Wow, he said that, huh? Nice straw-man!

Personally, I can see how entering a goat into a contest and then changing your mind and then the police come to your house and steal the goat because it sold to a rancher for a pittance could be traumatic and align you against the meat industry for life.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by honkycat »

egberts1 wrote: post #16

So, a parent not familiar with 4-H Club concept teaches her kid that it is okay to snatch things back after entering into a legal contract and giving it away. Double so for the writer’s lack of understanding of rural law enforcement with regard to historical and longstanding laws on cattle rustling and posse. I forget, this is was an ex-BuzzFeed reporter. He does do this kind of articles with glaring omissions of cur…

> So, a parent not familiar with 4-H Club concept teaches her kid that it is okay to snatch things back after entering into a legal contract and giving it away.

Huge oversimplification. Here let me try: "So a seller changed their mind on selling something, so they reached out to the buyer, and the buyer agreed to cancel the deal, but the middle man refused to cancel the deal and then the police drove out to their property and took the item and illegally gave it to the buyer"

We get it you're from the country. The level of projection here is amazing.

I was in a civil debate with a conservative the other day, and all they could do was point to "demonizing country people" and all i has to ask was "where did I do that?" and he would have to back off.

So where does this "city person" demonize country people? You're not that fucking far away from the city, just because you never leave the house. Turn off the fox news, the city is not out to get you. Nobody cares and most people understand the trade-off between the two.

Source: Raised in the country, moved to the city for my career.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by egberts1 »

honkycat wrote: post #37
egberts1 wrote: post #16

So, a parent not familiar with 4-H Club concept teaches her kid that it is okay to snatch things back after entering into a legal contract and giving it away. Double so for the writer’s lack of understanding of rural law enforcement with regard to historical and longstanding laws on cattle rustling and posse. I forget, this is was an ex-BuzzFeed reporter. He does do this kind of articles with glaring omissions of cur…

> So, a parent not familiar with 4-H Club concept teaches her kid that it is okay to snatch things back after entering into a legal contract and giving it away. Huge oversimplification. Here let me try: "So a seller changed their mind on selling something, so they reached out to the buyer, and the buyer agreed to cancel the deal, but the middle man refused to cancel the deal and then the police drove out to their pro…

It is still teaching kids the wrong thing: breaking a contract

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by DonHopkins »

egberts1 wrote: post #38
honkycat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, a parent not familiar with 4-H Club concept teaches her kid that it is okay to snatch things back after entering into a legal contract and giving it away. Huge oversimplification. Here let me try: "So a seller changed their mind on selling something, so they reached out to the buyer, and the buyer agreed to cancel the deal, but the middle man refused to cancel the deal and then the police drove out to their pro…

It is still teaching kids the wrong thing: breaking a contract

You're really obsessed with punishing children. I hope you don't pass on your own parent's abuse to your own children, or even better that you don't have children yourself, or have any power over other people's children.

Maybe you should lay off the Fox News, and think about the fact that Donald Trump is one of those refined high-falutin' city slickers who you resent so much, who teaches kids the wrong things: grabbing women by the pussy, infidelity, racism, lying, treason, etc.

Re: 9-year-old girl wanted to save her goat from slaughter. Then came the warrant

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Post by Aperocky »

ops wrote: post #25
Aperocky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The buyer agreed to the reversed transaction, the middleman should just shut up.

Where is the proof that the buyer agreed to reverse the transaction? If it were true, there was no reason to commit theft, as the buyer chooses what happens to the goat (not the middleman). And of course, if they were to just shut up, that would encourage other goat thieves.

Let's acknowledge the technical theft. Because of that, the fair gets to ignore the warrant itself and slaughter the goat even when the warrant specifically called for an arbitration?
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