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He who submits a resume has already lost

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Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by raydev »

> consider that everything the resume is supposed to do [...] is all stuff they are going to do again in phone screens, the interviews, and the reference checks

Not just things you need to do again, but they might even ask you to solve an arbitrary problem you've never seen before in 40 minutes, with someone watching and not helping, knowing your livelihood is on the line if you fail. And they have a hard rule that states you must create a working program, so even if you can express your ideas and make it very clear you'd get to a correct and efficient solution eventually, if it doesn't run in under 40 minutes, you're out. It's a mini coding competition, and you are set up to fail.

I recently got laid off from a job that actually boosted my resume quite nicely, the work made me a specialist that triggered several big name companies to reach out for this niche thing. I was told multiple times that I'd effectively passed 80% of the interview sessions, but their tests, for whether I'd been able to memorize all common algo approaches and my ability to regurgitate them in a short amount of time, were beyond my abilities.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by nottorp »

chocolatkey wrote: post #158
nottorp wrote: post #130

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> they don't really bother setting a profile pic or anything for their Discord I dont have a Discord profile pic or personal info filled in in principle. Ive also disabled the exhibitionist “I am playing this now” feature. That makes me a scammer right? Or maybe … privacy oriented?

Well, that's the thing, because you haven't done that, I am now biased to believe you wouldn't be a good applicant regardless of your skills. In the end, the applications gaming has made things worse for everyone, but especially the outliers. And because there's only so much time one can spend screening applicants, the biases will negatively impact genuine candidates as well. The only way out of this I've found so fa…

Well I didn’t even know you can apply for jobs on Discord :) And if I’m looking for a programming chat room I’d probably go on irc. Graybeard.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by andrewstuart »

datavirtue wrote: post #185
Yoric wrote: post #177

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I'll probably send a thank you note rather than ghosting them outright, but this has become the plan as of yesterday.

One thing I have learned from Krav Maga, you don't act passive or submissive unless you are about to kick someone in the groin and smash them in the face.

Probably a “no thanks” email is enough in this case.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by Yoric »

datavirtue wrote: post #185
Yoric wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll probably send a thank you note rather than ghosting them outright, but this has become the plan as of yesterday.

One thing I have learned from Krav Maga, you don't act passive or submissive unless you are about to kick someone in the groin and smash them in the face.

Well, if there is one bias I've confirmed from Aikido, you don't pick a fight when it's just as simple not to :)

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by saganus »

elihu wrote: post #138
ryandrake wrote: post #94

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But how does that even work? Even if you know someone at the company, at some point you have to apply online, to get into the real HR pipeline. I occasionally have people I used to work with ask me for help getting a job. I usually encourage them and give them some interview pointers, but ultimately I have to say “Here is the link to the posting, go apply and good luck!” I am just employee number 52214. I don’t have…

My most recent job was with Intel. I got invited to some kind of recruiting event, I'm not sure how. One of my friends was trying to get me to join, so maybe he sent them my email address? Or maybe they spotted me on LinkedIn? I have no idea. Anyways, I ended up talking to one of their senior engineers on the project they were hiring for. I can't remember if it came out then or later that that senior engineer was a c…

What is an un-conference?

Never heard that term before.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by zikduruqe »

gymbeaux wrote: post #199
zikduruqe wrote: post #146

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We do. Didn't you see that I passed my Cloud Associate exam that I paid $300 for? I posted it to LinkedIn. /s

Jokes aside, any software engineer would be wise to get one or two cloud certs. Certifications are big in the IT realm (e.g. A+), and while they've historically been a joke in the SWE realm, virtually all SWE job postings I see these days want the candidate to have AWS or Azure experience, and a cert proves that. Yeah the AWS Cloud Practitioner cert is easy, but something like Azure's AZ-204 takes MANY hours of study…

... you mean any new software engineer that is starting out in the industry where everyone is fighting for that first role or second role.

For me personally, I have been in the industry forever. My battle scars are my certifications.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by Terretta »

sph wrote: post #171
Terretta wrote: post #161

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> Candidates are to their resumes what a chef's meal is to the list of ingredients. It sounds as though you're saying it's not the list of ingredients, it's what you make of them. On the contrary, the interesting chefs, you can tell from the list, as there are delightfully unexpected choices and twists on the list. This absolutely POPS on a resume, and is one of the indicators I look for.

Can you tell me how good my chilli con carne is going to taste? These are the ingredients I use: ground beef, tomatoes, peppers, onions, garlic, red beans, and of course, chilli.

See, no secret ingredient.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by gymbeaux »

zikduruqe wrote: post #206
gymbeaux wrote: post #199

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Jokes aside, any software engineer would be wise to get one or two cloud certs. Certifications are big in the IT realm (e.g. A+), and while they've historically been a joke in the SWE realm, virtually all SWE job postings I see these days want the candidate to have AWS or Azure experience, and a cert proves that. Yeah the AWS Cloud Practitioner cert is easy, but something like Azure's AZ-204 takes MANY hours of study…

... you mean any new software engineer that is starting out in the industry where everyone is fighting for that first role or second role. For me personally, I have been in the industry forever. My battle scars are my certifications.

No, I mean anyone. Again, I’m pretty anti-cert, but I make an exception for cloud

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by bradlys »

presentation wrote: post #173
vultour wrote: post #98

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It's hilarious that you think people are thrilled to work for your company. You could have this attitude if you were running a non-profit or were a pioneer in something. Running a fancy CRUD app ain't that, chief. And to answer your question in a way that 99% of your applicants would like to, but your high-horse approach is stopping them: 1. To make money so I can pay for rent 2. Because I have previous experience wi…

Evidently you haven't read their landing page since it's definitely not a fancy CRUD app and as a developer of fancy CRUD apps, what they're doing does excite me (too bad I'm not looking for a job!). And given that they're an early stage company (my company is as well), I have had employees who were working as a boring day job for the comp alone, vs those who do it out of genuine interest in the space, and it excites…

Be honest. The reason you take the second candidate is because they’re easier to exploit.

Jfc - I know a lot of founders personally and they’ll all say that in private. You’re online - on an anonymous forum. You’re not at risk for saying something that we all know. Stop lying.

Re: He who submits a resume has already lost

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Post by xboxnolifes »

sph wrote: post #171
Terretta wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Candidates are to their resumes what a chef's meal is to the list of ingredients. It sounds as though you're saying it's not the list of ingredients, it's what you make of them. On the contrary, the interesting chefs, you can tell from the list, as there are delightfully unexpected choices and twists on the list. This absolutely POPS on a resume, and is one of the indicators I look for.

Can you tell me how good my chilli con carne is going to taste? These are the ingredients I use: ground beef, tomatoes, peppers, onions, garlic, red beans, and of course, chilli.

Subpar to average. There is a significant lack of spices in that list.
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