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San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?
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Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?
#92Let it burn. The only way out is to let competition thrive and thereby create pressure to revert the cost of living insanity.
Someone went and collected data going back to 1948.
> Today's outrageous prices are exactly in line with the 6.6% trend that began 60 years ago.
https://experimental-geography.blogspot.com/2016/05/employme...
Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?
#93It all comes down to housing. If you make it affordable to build housing, you make housing affordable. If you make housing affordable, then you make services affordable.
The fact that San Francisco does not have the population density of Manhattan is a testament to the impact of NIMBYISM.
SF is roughly three hundred years younger than NYC.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the 1970s financial woes aside, NYC also had a lot of petty and not so petty street crime mostly into the 80s. A lot of the area around Times Square was pretty bad, for example. [ADDED: It was really the 90s that saw the ~75% declines from peak.] I imagine a lot of the direct comparisons break down in various ways. But, at a high level, you see similarities.
Not just “into the 80s”. A friend of mine was murdered there in 94.
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#95One question that’s always top of mind when I hear about the insanity of SF: why on Earth are people with radical, proven ineffective policies voted in time and time again? Whenever I hear from tech people, they think it’s crazy. So if tech has overrun SF, why haven’t the politics become more moderate? At least one of my assumptions must be wrong.
What is there in SF politics that you consider "radical"?
I mean, I can't disagree that the evidence supports the idea that recent policies there have been ineffective in addressing many of that city's most pressing issues. But "radical" ?
Re: San Francisco could collapse – what should California do about it?
#96Every city has its glory days and eventual decline. It happened to Detroit; it's happening to SF, and eventually it'll happen to other cities (I see it happening to Houston if the US truly uncouples itself from oil)
How is that glory-days-then-decline theory working out for the cities of the old world?
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder whether homeowners talking about more affordable housing realize that includes their own house likely declining in value….
Home value does not (generally) matter to you day to day if you plan to actually live there. Hell, if the value of your home goes down that could lower your property taxes! Of course in the US, homes are first and foremost an investment, so losing resale value is one of the worst things that could happen to a homeowner, or something.
> Home value does not (generally) matter to you day to day if you plan to actually live there.
Until you retire or for other reasons find yourself living on a fixed (and possibly diminished) income, while property taxes based on home value continue to rise.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the 1970s financial woes aside, NYC also had a lot of petty and not so petty street crime mostly into the 80s. A lot of the area around Times Square was pretty bad, for example. [ADDED: It was really the 90s that saw the ~75% declines from peak.] I imagine a lot of the direct comparisons break down in various ways. But, at a high level, you see similarities.
Not just “into the 80s”. A friend of mine was murdered there in 94.
I can’t even imagine what it feels like to get downvoted for telling people about your friend’s murder. Mgarfias, I have given you my upvote as a counter. To Hacker news, you need to sort yourself the fuck out and get some empathy.
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Why should we expect "civic attachment" when nerds are literally hardcore bullied from the beginning in our media, in our schools, and now, they're starting getting bullied for being cerebral nerds by the bars of the one city that's supposed to be theirs. I don't blame them tbh. Frankly, society should be very happy uniquely for the "nerds at the HF event" since those nerds are working very hard on open source and de…
I'm a hard core computer nerd and I'm from SF, grew up here. This is not the nerd city (although we have many fine nerds here!) It's the hippie city. Anyway, we nerds help the normals despite their bullying and lack of respect because we are human beings and humane. It's not their fault they're stupid and ignorant, after all? And do we not enjoy pleasures and rewards beyond their understanding? It's not so bad, being…
Portland, Eugene or are hippy cities. SF isn't a hippy city anymore. The greatful dead went to Eugene OR ever year to "get away from it all" in SF.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really wish that we could all just settle on using "whether or not someone is acting like an asshole" as our single tribal dividing line. Every other grouping scheme will lump lots of great people with lots of assholes all mixed together and then we cherry pick and make assumptions about the wider group that are generally unfair.
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