this alongside the ban on lab grown meat[0] and the recent proposed ban to use english words in government documents[1] is just proof on how antiquated and backward looking the government is. so glad i left almost 10 years ago. [EDIT] the privacy regulator is independent from the government but elected by the parliament every 7 years. nevertheless this is a testament on how in general, regardless of political party,…
Well, the parliament is part of the government.
Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT
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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT
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This _is_ the GDPR at work here.
Should it apply to the whole of Europe? If openai perceives this to be just a problem for one 60M people country, not particularly known for tech enterprises, they may just shrug it off and close off service to Italy and call it a day. That's exactly what they did. My plus account got refunded and blocked. VPN only allows me to access the free service, so no GPT-4 for me. So unless other countries are following on an…
At least some of the big companies take this seriously, because I've worked in consultants and seen it. It would be completely reasonable for OpenAI to be more private in the paid models - make the weights readonly, encrypt conversations, allow permanent deletion.
For the free models, I'd find it OK to train on the input, but GDPR says users should be able to request data deletion - not sure how viable that is for LLMs, where training frons scratch regularly (without the requested deletions) is probably expensive as fuck.
The internet has been a wild west with lots of privacy abuse, it's good to see some rules and enforcement!
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In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either do…
I work part time at a pizzeria. If you do this try to remember when you order food for delivery. It has become a problem with our drivers. The customer doesn’t answer the phone and our drivers spend 10 minutes trying to contact the customer (delaying the next customers order). Eventually, our drivers give up and the customer (now angry) calls back an hour later demanding their food.
Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT
#664While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…
I wonder whether there are real hard numbers supporting this statement. Not saying it's not true, just wondering whether it actually is.
I checked once for another country of South Europe and the reality was that both France and Germany had more "bureocrats" (public servants) per capita, contrary to public perception.
There are many things we all think are true that, when actually checked, turn out to be false. Sometimes it's a matter of false stereotypes and sometimes it's something that was true at some point but it's not anymore.
For example, about social mobility: USA is known as the land of the opportunities and a much more open and meritocratic place than Europe. That was certainly the case when it was founded. But the reality is that in the last decades (Western) Europe's social cohesion system created a much more favourable environment for children of poor people to prosper somewhat equal opportunities to children of medium and high earners (good and cheap/affordable public education, strong social network of public services,...), while the opposite trend took place in the USA. The results are quite outstanding:
https://www.weforum.org/reports/global-social-mobility-index...
Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT
#665Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the US, I used to receive multiple spam calls a day. A few years ago, I turned on the iOS setting that sends all phone numbers not in my contacts straight to voicemail and haven't looked back. It's occasionally inconvenient—maybe once or twice a year I deal with a company that needs to call me. But if it's a call from a real person, I can always listen to the voicemail and call them back. Most spam calls either do…
Had no idea this setting existed despite being an iPhone user for years. Thank you! Settings->General->Phone->Silence Unknown Callers
Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT
#666Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should it apply to the whole of Europe? If openai perceives this to be just a problem for one 60M people country, not particularly known for tech enterprises, they may just shrug it off and close off service to Italy and call it a day. That's exactly what they did. My plus account got refunded and blocked. VPN only allows me to access the free service, so no GPT-4 for me. So unless other countries are following on an…
Well, only Italy is complaining for now, but it applies to the whole EU. At least some of the big companies take this seriously, because I've worked in consultants and seen it. It would be completely reasonable for OpenAI to be more private in the paid models - make the weights readonly, encrypt conversations, allow permanent deletion. For the free models, I'd find it OK to train on the input, but GDPR says users sho…
It was expensive but we had to retrain models frequently anyway because of other reasons so this just added a more strict cadence and time bound checks but didn't really inflate costs dramatically
Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT
#667Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should it apply to the whole of Europe? If openai perceives this to be just a problem for one 60M people country, not particularly known for tech enterprises, they may just shrug it off and close off service to Italy and call it a day. That's exactly what they did. My plus account got refunded and blocked. VPN only allows me to access the free service, so no GPT-4 for me. So unless other countries are following on an…
Well, only Italy is complaining for now, but it applies to the whole EU. At least some of the big companies take this seriously, because I've worked in consultants and seen it. It would be completely reasonable for OpenAI to be more private in the paid models - make the weights readonly, encrypt conversations, allow permanent deletion. For the free models, I'd find it OK to train on the input, but GDPR says users sho…
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#668This does not surprise me at all. I worked in Italy for 2 years and in Germany for 4 years. A sense of `US/CIA/NSA-phobia` is strong among many companies and is often used to justify not using US datacenters, cloud-services and SaaS tools. I have to admit I do not fully understand it, but I am inclined to think it is mostly a bias and not driven by actual risk assessments. Having conducted risk assessments and threat…
We just don't want to freely give our data to US competitors companies. Is that hard to understand ? Do you think US company would reveal their blueprints and source code to the rest of the world ? A phobia is an irrational fear, this is a rational fear. About how EU treat engineers, this is a separate issue, in France at least, there is the belief that advancing in your career (=get paid more) means becoming manager…
I think for career advancement, getting paid more is not the only motivation for a lot of world class engineers. Innovatio itself is sometimes sufficient.
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Report from the UK. I'm a British prince. I have a business proposition for you. It could be financially very lucrative. Having left the EU, we are finding it hard to make ends meet. If you send me £50k,I will be able to release £100m frozen in evil EU banks. I will give you 50%.
The UK now replaces Nigeria. Bravo! It's come a long way.
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> breaking no law in their country Singaporean law forbids their citizens and residents from using drugs in other countries. So if a Singapore resident goes to Amsterdam or Portland and smokes a joint there, they are complying with local laws but still breaking Singaporean laws. Laws with this sort of extraterritorial jurisdiction aren't without precedent. Particularly, other countries, like the US, UK and many other…
> Singaporean law forbids their citizens and residents from using drugs in other countries. The problem is with that law being applied to non-residents . If Singapore wants to police it's citizens lik that, it's fine. But to arrest a Canadian because they smoked weed a couple of days before arriving at Singpore customs, where it's legal in Montreal where they were? > With that I agree, but I think a better word to de…
Don't go to Singapore if you like drugs. How hard can that be? I've been not going to Singapore my entire life.