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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by hedora »

foobarian wrote: post #116
nozzlegear wrote: post #69

> GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars. Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM v…

It's clear what happens next: 1. GM cars suddenly sell for $2-3k less than competition 2. Competition scrambles to catch up, implements similar shenanigans to monetize the car computer 3. No more unrestricted CarPlay

2. Competition offers car without carplay for $2K less. Both of the competitor's models monetize the car computer without google's help

(or they just stick a $20 google crapware box in the engine compartment between the battery and the motors, then call it good.)

Either way the competitor gets to charge a $2K markup for screen mirroring software.

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Post by amf12 »

a_vanderbilt wrote: post #164

This is such a boneheaded decision I can't help but laugh. Everyone I know who has tried CarPlay now avoids cars that do not have it. When I bought my Miata last year, I specifically chose the trim with CarPlay capability. I will not by a car that does not have it.

> Everyone I know who has tried CarPlay now avoids cars that do not have it.

That is because you need CarPlay if you have an iPhone. With these systems, one wouldn't have to connect anything. It doesn't matter which phone a person has.

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Post by [deleted] »

Tagbert wrote: post #308
rhtgrg wrote: post #271

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Yes, removing CarPlay is not a great move, and is rightfully being bashed in this thread -- but these kinds of OEM integrations are far beyond a smartphone subsitute, especially given what's coming down the pipe for auto. As you allude to in your comment already, CarPlay is a "projection", a one-way deal -- whereas most of these integrations make heavy use of data from car sensors, which enables a lot of high fidelit…

And I don't need that level of integration. The passive CarPlay UI projection is exactly what I want. It's not all about driving to charging stations. That is a rare occurrence.

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Post by gnicholas »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #320
gnicholas wrote: post #319

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But is there any chance that one rental company would actually be able to guarantee CarPlay availability (meaning no GM vehicles)? Seems unlikely to me.

I don’t see why not. They buy plenty of non GM cars to rent.

Sure, but they can't guarantee that you'll get a non-GM car, since they never know if they'll have availability in advance. Sometimes you show up and they don't have the vehicle type, or any vehicle whatsoever.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

hedora wrote: post #339
agloe_dreams wrote: post #217

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> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…

Presumably the downvotes are because, from the point of view of an Apple user, every single thing you mentioned is demonstrably worse. - Apple Music, but now Google can spy on my music tastes? No thanks! - Data subscription for my car? Why would I possibly want to pay for that? - Google Maps: Again, Apple users have opted out of this ecosystem. Apple Maps is fine. Other options are also fine. Google Maps is my 4th or…

You can use google maps to route in your car via Apple CarPlay. You just have to tell Siri to use google maps. My BMW also has its own routing software, which I use sometimes due to a spurious gps bug that affects CarPlay but not the BMW Xdrive stack itself.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

abruzzi wrote: post #276
agloe_dreams wrote: post #217

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> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…

My biggest issue with this would be that the Apple Music app only streams from the streaming service. Those of use happily chugging along with iTunes purchases and iTunes Match are out of luck.

CarPlay will stream via Spotify. But Apple doesn’t extend the same to HomePod’s for some reason.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

kiawe_fire wrote: post #266
agloe_dreams wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…

> There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Thanks. That clarifies, considering the article gives the impression this would be a GM-siloed system built in collaboration with Google. The problems remain mostly the same, and the notion of GM de-facto crowning Google and its Android-based solution the "one true…

It sounds right: in my car, Xdrive is the actual underlying stack beneath CarPlay. I can use my car without launching CarPlay, but it will route Siri request through CarPlay in a fairly seamless manner. It sounds like Android is going to replace the underlying stack that CarPlay can still be implemented on top of. I’ve heard that Apple is implementing a similar base OS as well.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

chaostheory wrote: post #331
MBCook wrote: post #324

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As cars move away from traditional DIN stuff and more towards multiple screens with no physical “radio” on the dash in the classic sense… is that still an option?

It’s there’s a market, there will likely be a way. That’s one of capitalism’s strengths.

Maybe not for an EV.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

dkarbayev wrote: post #303
lotsofpulp wrote: post #146

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Cars and small electronic devices are not comparable. GM is only doing this because they see an avenue to charge recurring fees, which smartphones obviated.

I don’t think it’ll work anyway. BMW has been stubborn on CarPay integration by not supporting it or asking a hefty price for “CarPlay preparation” (which is, as far as I’m concerned, mostly installing a WiFi antenna on the head unit), all because it would have cannibalized their revenue from map updates and other remote services (e.g. real-time traffic information). But in the end, BMW gave up and CarPlay is include…

Included on my 2022 model.
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