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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by imwithstoopid »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #115
imwithstoopid wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

problem is (from GM's perspective), with CarPlay, Apple takes over the UX of the car...the Apple logo is the first and last thing people see when driving GM doesn't want Apple or Google taking over the UX of the car, because then GM is eventually just another FoxConn and sure, there's a money thing...they want revshare from Spotify and every other app they can position in the UI CarPlay and Android Auto will be gone…

> CarPlay and Android Auto will be gone as fast as car makers can make it happen This will also be an opportunity for other car manufacturers to differentiate themselves: “We still support CarPlay”

> This will also be an opportunity for other car manufacturers to differentiate themselves: “We still support CarPlay”

but I doubt CarPlay will even end up as the lowest-common-denominator...one of GM or Mercedes or whoever will try to get their system good enough that they can license it to other car companies...so CarOS or whatever will be the default if your car brand doesn't have a bespoke experience

I like Android Auto and use it all the time, but I can't fault GM for not wanting to be treated as just another OEM...FoxConn does all the hard work for Apple on the hardware side and isn't even allowed to put their name on the product...the ultimate replaceable cog

Apple might have been received better by car makers if it hadn't threatened to be developing their own vehicle...now all the car makers see them as a competitive threat

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by rblatz »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #111
midnitewarrior wrote: post #74

This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.

“We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.”

Ah yes pissing off your customers because you think they’ll not just accept a worse experience, they’ll actually pay more for it. It’s a bold strategy.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by skunkworker »

DeRock wrote: post #98
midnitewarrior wrote: post #74

This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

I will only rent a car if it has CarPlay. If it doesn't then I will rent another vehicle. It's not worth trying to get maps/phone setup in a car that I haven't driven and in a location that I am unfamiliar with. Where CarPlay allows me to use the same UI, apps settings et al that make it significantly easier.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by spike021 »

Niksko wrote: post #70

I own a pretty old car, so haven't got the bells and whistles. But I've just rented a new model Camry for the last 3 weeks, and here's my takeaways: Android Auto is much better than Apple Carplay. Carplay was janky and the navigation stuttered. Also the layout of the on-screen UI was weird, and poorly thought out. As usual I think, Android Auto is probably designed to work ok on any size screen and gracefully degrade…

I've used Carplay in a few cars. Mine doesn't even have it built-in, I swapped in an aftermarket Pioneer headunit that has Carplay.

It's worked fine with various sizes of screen.

As far as lag, there's some lag when using wireless Carplay mostly IME for audio playback, basically akin to the same delay when using Bluetooth.

I've never had nav issues with Apple Maps, but since iOS 16 or so, Google Maps frequently has issues where it stops updating my current location and gets stuck until I force-quit the app and re-open it, so that's a bummer.

Otherwise it's been fine. Handy the time I had to use a Kia rental and as soon as my phone was paired to it it was like my own personal car.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by lotsofpulp »

imwithstoopid wrote: post #141
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CarPlay and Android Auto will be gone as fast as car makers can make it happen This will also be an opportunity for other car manufacturers to differentiate themselves: “We still support CarPlay”

> This will also be an opportunity for other car manufacturers to differentiate themselves: “We still support CarPlay” but I doubt CarPlay will even end up as the lowest-common-denominator...one of GM or Mercedes or whoever will try to get their system good enough that they can license it to other car companies...so CarOS or whatever will be the default if your car brand doesn't have a bespoke experience I like Andro…

Cars and small electronic devices are not comparable.

GM is only doing this because they see an avenue to charge recurring fees, which smartphones obviated.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by nkotov »

What a stupid move. Every infotainment system I used that didn't have CarPlay has been horrible. Either it was incredibly slow or hard to use. Going into a rental with CarPlay has always been awesome. Everything you need is right where you want it, no matter the vehicle. The only closest to being good has been Tesla.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by nozzlegear »

grepfru_it wrote: post #113
nozzlegear wrote: post #69

> GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars. Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM v…

your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. the "help" they are referring to is offloading the transmission of these parameters to your wireless device vs their built-in wireless device ($$$)

> your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar.

Is it? I’ve already turned off the Chevrolet Smart Driver or whatever it’s called, I know about that one sending data back to GM. And I canceled OnStar as soon as I purchased the vehicle, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if it’s still siphoning data anyway.

Still, the situation would get worse for me because at least right now using CarPlay they aren’t getting all the data about which books or music I’m listening to.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by banana_giraffe »

nerdjon wrote: post #92

I really hope this isn't a start of a trend, but I have to wonder if the recent CarPlay taking over the entire car thing that Apple announced is kinda related? Every once in a while I end up renting a car that doesn't have CarPlay support and it sucks. CarPlay is great and it does what I need (music and directions, with the occasional message) while also keeping everything in sync with my phone.

Related, I suppose, but indirectly. From elsewhere:

> GM said it expects its in-car subscription services to generate nearly $2 billion in revenue this year and will reach as high as $25 billion by the end of the decade

I assume they view Carplay/Android Auto as a barrier to their subscription plans. Why would I pay for Map Updates, or Sirius subscription or whatever if I can just plug my phone in?

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kiawe_fire »

Well this sucks.

I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc.

I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this.

Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible.

The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along.

Everything described in the article sounds worse.

Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone?

Needing to maintain navigation routes on my car AND my phone?

Being forced to use only built in apps like Spotify instead of “whatever is on my phone that supports car play”?

Waiting on my car to decide when I can get the newest navigation app or the latest update to Spotify like this is some janky non-Roku smart TV from 2012?

No thanks.

> GM's decision to stop offering those systems in future electric vehicles, starting with the 2024 Chevrolet Blazer, could help the automaker capture more data on how consumers drive and charge EVs.

That doesn’t even make sense.

NONE of those things would require an absence of CarPlay, nor would they require the presence of some omnipresent Google / GM replacement.

Those metrics are all collected by the systems using them, with the infotainment simply being one possible UI for display of those metrics.

Sucks. Just when I found a car brand and manufacturer that seemed to be doing things well, and I was excited for the EV version of it, they pull this.

Why can’t I have nice things?

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