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CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by shadowgovt »

haswell wrote: post #63
fastaguy88 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Katrina, almost 1400 people died, and 80% of the city of New Orleans (population ~400,000) was flooded for weeks. No one died in the East Palestine incident. Hard to see the equivalence.

> No one died in the East Palestine incident. Hard to see the equivalence. It seems very premature to draw such a conclusion. If people start dying of cancer in high numbers a few years down the line, any early claims about the non-impact of this spill will age poorly. Regarding Katrina, we have the benefit of hindsight and enough time passing to have gotten a handle on the impact and it’s worth noting that those 1,4…

It's not premature when after Katrina, by this point in time, the death toll was over 100. The East Palestine disaster is still clocking a zero (thankfully).

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by rcme »

blobbers wrote: post #19

This sounds like CDC workers will have a big lawsuit against the CDC. Their employment contract can't possibly be so bullet proof as to fully waive their right to this? They should have sufficient protective equipment when investigating these types of disasters.

What are the damages?

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by grosswait »

shadowgovt wrote: post #68
mc32 wrote: post #3

That whole disaster was terribly handled. From The sec of transportation dragging his feel by weeks, to the president being dismissive and the train company saying no big deal... go back home, it's safe! I hope Erin can help to bring the attention and justice this disaster deserves. At least GWB, though a contemptible fellow otherwise, took his frat attitude up in a chopper to survey Katrina.

I can't imagine what any authority could have said to calm the populace. They've basically been truthful this whole time, but nobody wants to hear "This disaster was scary-looking but ultimately not very harmful." They want scary to equal dangerous. Real chemical disasters look like Love Canal, or the quiet fire that eventually ate Centralia, but people want to believe "train on fire" equals "generational trauma" and…

I just read the Cincinnati article you posted and it reads like mainstream misinformation. “Claimed without evidence” and throwing “elon musk’s new rating system” in there to boot. It says some things were demonstrably false, but read through other comments here with links to citations and it becomes pretty clear this “news” story is a PR piece without any evidence of its own.

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by shadowgovt »

grosswait wrote: post #74
shadowgovt wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine what any authority could have said to calm the populace. They've basically been truthful this whole time, but nobody wants to hear "This disaster was scary-looking but ultimately not very harmful." They want scary to equal dangerous. Real chemical disasters look like Love Canal, or the quiet fire that eventually ate Centralia, but people want to believe "train on fire" equals "generational trauma" and…

I just read the Cincinnati article you posted and it reads like mainstream misinformation. “Claimed without evidence” and throwing “elon musk’s new rating system” in there to boot. It says some things were demonstrably false, but read through other comments here with links to citations and it becomes pretty clear this “news” story is a PR piece without any evidence of its own.

Having been here a long time, I'll trust "mainstream misinformation" before I'll trust the sleuthing abilities of HN every day of the week.

Seriously, what cited information in these threads should I be looking at? The "status coup" blog? The poster who is alleging some kind of conspiracy to kill people investigating industrial accidents in Ohio?

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by hd95489 »

rcme wrote: post #72
blobbers wrote: post #19

This sounds like CDC workers will have a big lawsuit against the CDC. Their employment contract can't possibly be so bullet proof as to fully waive their right to this? They should have sufficient protective equipment when investigating these types of disasters.

What are the damages?

Cancer and early death in 10-20 years

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by CydeWeys »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #50
ceejayoz wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least GWB, though a contemptible fellow otherwise, took his frat attitude up in a chopper to survey Katrina. What? Bush’s handling of Katrina was so bad “this is so-and-so’s Katrina” entered the political lexicon as a term for mishandling disasters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_government_re...

The point is the double standard, Bush was there for a flyover on day 3, and on the ground day 5, and it was the worst response ever. So what is the East Palestine response in comparison?

In comparison, it shows that merely showing your face but otherwise not solving the problem, can be even worse.

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by prepend »

hd95489 wrote: post #76
rcme wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the damages?

Cancer and early death in 10-20 years

Going to be hard to prove that now and with only 7 people, will be hard to tie their outcome 20 years from now vs natural causes

Re: CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during investigation

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Post by SoftTalker »

tzs wrote: post #28
hooverd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, I'm sure the majority of those are trains popping off the track at low speeds.

I expect in most of them there is no serious damage and most of the train is still on the rails. That's how the derailment I was in worked. This was an Amtrak going from the Seattle area to Los Angeles. We pulled onto a siding to let a freight train by. When our train started again it went a few feet and then there was a thud and it abruptly stopped. What happened was that the rails had separated a bit just ahead of…

Sounds like a typical Amtrak experience. Really cannot recommend it if you need to be at your destination on time.
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