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Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by karmasimida »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #145
Manjuuu wrote: post #71

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The same confidence of those already planning for the advent, that will never be, of AGI. I see a lot of unmotivated enthusiasm for the "new" thing, the opinions of Hinton should be considered valid if the reasoning makes sense, not just because the source is Hinton. No idea why he said that it's possible in 10 years. Not trying to bash anyone, I just meant normal people, outside of the field. Enthusiastic nonsense i…

>> No idea why he said that it's possible in 10 years. It's because he's been saying that for 40 years.

https://youtu.be/qpoRO378qRY

Hinton said he didn’t believe it before ChatGPT came out, that AGI is possible in 20 years.

It is simple to just checkout peoples’ own words, otherwise you are hallucinating the same way as those LLMs do

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by famouswaffles »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #133
famouswaffles wrote: post #116

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It's a tangential relation but it's a relation. I don't think i would say it has nothing to do with it. Goal posts shifting in the field of machine learning isn't just about the posts for defining intelligence. It's broader and deeper than that. I brought it up because i thought it fit the point i was driving at. Humans/people don't see subjective experience. I don't know that you're actually having some subjective e…

>> when i show the output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand, the arguments quickly shift to "it's not real understanding!" and it's honestly very bizarre. What kind of meaningful distinction can't show itself, can't be tested for? If it does exist then it's not meaningful. I agree with you totally. Here's some output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understanding: All men are mortal. Socrates…

Is this your argument? Really?

I'm Just surprised honestly. All of the straw man arguments, this is the best you can come up with?

Man do better. GPT-4 would have a better response than this.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by dvt »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #115
dvt wrote: post #72

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> To me its people who can solve math problems that 99.9% of the population can't without assistance. You're just kind of re-emphasizing my point: ChatGPT is using Wolfram as its assistance. So really, it's acting more like a "dumb" API call, not a "math genius" at all.

He's not really saying that GPT-4 is a 'math genius', rather the combined system of GPT-4 and Wolfram is.

But that doesn't really mean much. It's like saying I'm a "geography genius" while I have Google Earth open.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by [deleted] »

famouswaffles wrote: post #152
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #133

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>> when i show the output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand, the arguments quickly shift to "it's not real understanding!" and it's honestly very bizarre. What kind of meaningful distinction can't show itself, can't be tested for? If it does exist then it's not meaningful. I agree with you totally. Here's some output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understanding: All men are mortal. Socrates…

Is this your argument? Really? I'm Just surprised honestly. All of the straw man arguments, this is the best you can come up with? Man do better. GPT-4 would have a better response than this.

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Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

famouswaffles wrote: post #152
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #133

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>> when i show the output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand, the arguments quickly shift to "it's not real understanding!" and it's honestly very bizarre. What kind of meaningful distinction can't show itself, can't be tested for? If it does exist then it's not meaningful. I agree with you totally. Here's some output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understanding: All men are mortal. Socrates…

Is this your argument? Really? I'm Just surprised honestly. All of the straw man arguments, this is the best you can come up with? Man do better. GPT-4 would have a better response than this.

I don't understand your derision. Where is the "straw man"? I showed you "output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand[ing]" exactly as you said. How do you explain it, if not by saying it understands, and it can reason?

Are you really just going to cop out and avoid engaging seriously with my question? How do you explain the output above except as reasoning and understanding?

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

karmasimida wrote: post #151
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> No idea why he said that it's possible in 10 years. It's because he's been saying that for 40 years.

https://youtu.be/qpoRO378qRY Hinton said he didn’t believe it before ChatGPT came out, that AGI is possible in 20 years. It is simple to just checkout peoples’ own words, otherwise you are hallucinating the same way as those LLMs do

Can you please link me to the point in the interview where Hinton says what you say? It's 42 minutes long and I can't know which part of it you're referring to.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by knrdev »

MichaelRazum wrote: post #119
Workaccount2 wrote: post #8

I strongly suspect the first AGI will come sooner than expected on the back of a "glue" AI that can intelligently bond together a web of narrow AIs and utilities. I got access to the wolfram plugin for chatGPT, and it turned it from a math dummy to a math genius overnight. A small step for sure, but a hint of what's to come.

"math genius" not sure about it. I gave it a problem from IMO 2022. In my opinion not a very hard one. It failed even if you give it some hints. Let R+ denote the set of positive real numbers. Find all functions f : R+ → R+ such that for each x ∈ R+, there is exactly one y ∈ R+ satisfying xf(y) + yf(x) It just struggeld to reason. So I would be very surprised if the plugin somehow helps here.

Very strange. I gave this problem to GPT-3.5 and it answered `f(x)=1/x`. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YrZLBmu7A gives the same solution. GPT-4 failed but was close. Maybe GPT-3.5 is smarter ;)

Query i used was: ``` Can you think step by step about this math problem and solve it?

Let R+ denote the set of positive real numbers. Find all functions f : R+ → R+ such that for each x ∈ R+, there is exactly one y ∈ R+ satisfying xf(y) + yf(x) Response: https://pastebin.com/sTXM9kLt

Edit: Maybe i should say Bing not GPT-4 because i asked it there.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by atonse »

dvt wrote: post #153
sebzim4500 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not really saying that GPT-4 is a 'math genius', rather the combined system of GPT-4 and Wolfram is.

But that doesn't really mean much. It's like saying I'm a "geography genius" while I have Google Earth open.

And if you had Google earth hooked up to hidden headphones without us being able to tell, you would seem like a geography genius to us. that’s the point.

it seems like you’re arguing whether the genius label only has to be innate. But if you are able to effectively get help from sources, the effect can be the same.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by michaelmrose »

_yb2s wrote: post #101
knome wrote: post #89

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I'm prone to agree. Your memory would still require being parsed by the language model, and for it to have a sufficient window as to allow this. Alternately, the human mind keeps, what, 7 items 'present' at a time? When the 32k variant comes out, the ability to use a side-along memory module on a running self-summarizing conversation will be even easier than it is now. I expect a more human-like memory will emerge ev…

I think this is a good example of deep conceptual understanding, I suspect if you posed this same problem to adult humans (e.g. me) they wouldn't be able to do as well.

An actual intelligence would have a mental model of the world deeper than the connection between one token and the next and a model of the human beings he was interacting with and an expectation of effecting that model to achieve actual differences in the observed world. In other words Google translate doesn't actually speak Chinese.

Re: HuggingGPT: Solving AI tasks with ChatGPT and its friends in HuggingFace

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Post by famouswaffles »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #155
famouswaffles wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this your argument? Really? I'm Just surprised honestly. All of the straw man arguments, this is the best you can come up with? Man do better. GPT-4 would have a better response than this.

I don't understand your derision. Where is the "straw man"? I showed you "output that clearly demonstrates reasoning and understand[ing]" exactly as you said. How do you explain it, if not by saying it understands, and it can reason? Are you really just going to cop out and avoid engaging seriously with my question? How do you explain the output above except as reasoning and understanding?

If you don't see anything up with the nonsensical paragraph you typed then there isn't enough intelligence to continue this conversation. Maybe Ask GPT-4 for help. It has the patience I don't. Either way, this is the end for me. Believe whatever you want, it's none of my business really. Good day.
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