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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kotaKat »

bluecalm wrote: post #104

Quick Google search tells me there are currently 65 million GM vehicles on the roads in US. Let's say that can add 25 million new ones till 2030 which sounds very optimistic for them. To have their forecast of the subscription revenue materialize they would need to charge 1000$ per car per year or about 80$/month. That seems crazy to me. People might be coming to terms with subscription but 80$/month is an expensive…

The base OnStar plan to use Google Built In is $25/mo, to get emergency crash response that plan doubles to $50/mo.

So no, they're right in line with right how they want to gouge customers.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by agloe_dreams »

gnicholas wrote: post #11

I’ll remain open minded about this, but it seems unwise to go all-in with android and abandon Apple for even the most expensive cars. Are people who buy Cadillacs (who probably own iPhones) not going to mind not having CarPlay? Or will they buy a BMW or Mercedes instead? When you’re dropping $75k on a car, you expect it not to have any compromises.

I think you misunderstood what they are doing. They are dropping both Carplay and Android Auto, the Android Equal of carplay. Instead they are making the car platform based on Google Automotive with the play store so you can install any app you want natively.

Their argument is that they want to make the internal software as good or better. I'll remain open minded as well..but TBH I fully expect almost all car makers to do this. No sane company would spend billions making a product and then let some other company overlay over it and make all the money.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by MBCook »

calciphus wrote: post #219
MBCook wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On what grounds? Because people like it too much? Apple isn’t forcing anything. They don’t have exclusive contacts. Almost every car with CarPlay supports Android Auto. Customers are just demanding it.

Apple does restrict access to much of their platform for only Apple-based access. There's exactly one company stopping Google or anyone else from building a compatible car system that runs for both Android and ios, and that's Apple. The use of private APIs and preventing competitors from using them, to secure another market (car infotainment systems) certainly should run afoul of anticompetitive laws in spirit, even…

Are you comparing the car infotainment OS with the CarPlay feature running on the phone?

I was not talking about the infotainment OS. No one has an Apple OS running on a car so I don’t know how they could dominate the market.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by bumby »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #138
bumby wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While annoying, my real gripe is what this says about their development process. If you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right?

> you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right Does any major car manufacturer routinely nail their infotainment systems?

No, but other manufacturers are much more conservative about how they market their software (e.g., naming it ‘driver assist’ vs ‘autopilot’). It’s an obvious and explicit declaration that their software should not be relied on to be the main mitigation in safety-critical scenarios.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by agloe_dreams »

sircastor wrote: post #108

I worked in Infotainment for an Automotive OEM for 7 years. There were two major concepts behind the resistance to CarPlay and Android Auto. The first was branding. Not being able to control the experience that the user, especially because it was so visible of a component in the cab. The second was (and this is anecdotal, I was not directly involved in the conversations) the way that Apple and especially Google were…

Yup. I think the thing most people need to see at this point is that almost every car maker will follow GM at this. They would rather the Google deal where they get a cut of the pie and some control rather than the nothing they get with Carplay/AA.

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Post by stirlo »

sli wrote: post #153

> Buyers of GM EVs with the new systems will get access to Google Maps and Google Assistant, a voice command system, at no extra cost for eight years, GM said. The lede is buried as usual.

So what’s currently free on both CarPlay and Android auto will be chargeable after 8 years?

I’m buying another brand that doesn’t pull this shit.

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Post by KerrAvon »

Reason077 wrote: post #192
DeRock wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.” I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. On the other hand, Polestar uses Google’s Automotive OS for it’s infotainment system and yet also supports CarPlay. So the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

But it actually has. Lack of CarPlay support was a major reason I didn't seriously consider a Tesla for my last purchase (long before they became electric MAGA hats), and I know other people who have the same issue. Are we statistically significant? Not enough data. Maybe not. But there's definitely some money that Tesla's leaving on the table.

Volvo/Polestar has a rather nice, well-integrated implementation of CarPlay, in fact. It definitely can be done. GM is insane.

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Post by alistairSH »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #217
kiawe_fire wrote: post #150

Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if somethin…

> if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. I'm pretty sure that is what GM's play is here. There's a lot of confusion. They are moving to Google Automotive Services, complete with Android and the Play store where you pick what is on your car. Apple music is one of those apps. > Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Data Subscription, it is Google play under it all. > Needing to…

Google Maps is on both

Not mine. Oh well, another reason to skip GM.

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Post by tristor »

I would never buy a new vehicle without CarPlay. This is a move so stupid, even knowing GM, I’m shocked they would do this. Anyone in the US that isn’t broke or opposing Apple for ideological reasons is all-in on the Apple ecosystem because it’s the only tech ecosystem that actually works and half-ass respects the user.

A recent survey had 87% of people between 14-25 in the US own iPhones and nearly 80% of those who made over median income own iPhones.

Who does GM think is buying new vehicles when economy car base prices are pushing $30k? Someone with a free government Android phone is not dropping $30k+ on a new car.

I can’t wait to see GM go out of business from this sheer stupidity.

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Post by taylodl »

DeRock wrote: post #98
midnitewarrior wrote: post #74

This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

I'm honestly surprised anybody is still buying GM cars/trucks.

If you want a truck, get a Ford. They're hands-down the best in class. Or get a Toyota or Honda if you roll that way.

If you want an SUV, well, everybody is making those and GM doesn't have any standout offerings.

If you want a luxury car then there are much better options that are not only more luxurious, but more reliable, and oftentimes cheaper.

If you want reliable, cheap transportation then you're getting a KIA or Hyundai.

No matter how you slice it and dice it, the answer is never GM. (I'll concede the Corvette, they're great sports cars, but c'mon! Not many people are buying those!)

And now they're nixing CarPlay?

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