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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by Tagbert »

As a current GM Volt owner who had been considering the upcoming Blazer and Equinox this is very frustrating and basically rules out GM vehicles.

I use CarPlay daily and it is my preferred way to personalize the car. Yes, I do use Maps in CarPlay because that is where my Contacts are and that is where I am searching for businesses and use that to find directions. I don't want to switch to another system just for directions and traffic notices. I don't care about routing to chargers on a daily basis. the only comes into play on a rare road trip.

I also use CarPlay for listening to podcasts using OverCast. I absolutely don't want to give that up just to make GM happy.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by Moto7451 »

kulahan wrote: post #124
DeRock wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in that being an absolute requirement for a car purchase. I guess it's not surprising that GM is making another stupid move though.

Definitely not alone. Some VP doesn’t get it and is going to find themselves in a new job elsewhere after they figure out what they just committed themself to.

I love GM cars once you remove their terrible UI and escape to CarPlay/Android Auto. The biggest issue with cars is that they rely on a touch screen for controls and the UX is awful. I now have an Audi and a Porsche and the MMI suite is Android based. This isn’t too bad but the services and mapping are far behind Apple and Google.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by eddieroger »

slt2021 wrote: post #54
dboreham wrote: post #30

Quite odd that we decide which $80,000 car to buy based on what remote display server protocol it supports.

People who drop 80k on a car, dont have time nor energy to learn and fiddle with new car UI. Once you get used to CarPlay you aint coming back, since it is so integrated with the phone UX

It's been said elsewhere as well, but if one is willing to spend that much on a car, or can at all, they usually want exactly what they want beyond just the UI.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

bluecalm wrote: post #104

Quick Google search tells me there are currently 65 million GM vehicles on the roads in US. Let's say that can add 25 million new ones till 2030 which sounds very optimistic for them. To have their forecast of the subscription revenue materialize they would need to charge 1000$ per car per year or about 80$/month. That seems crazy to me. People might be coming to terms with subscription but 80$/month is an expensive…

When your car payment is $400/month, what’s another $80? /s

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by spike021 »

Tagbert wrote: post #73
voisin wrote: post #65

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I don’t understand why this can’t be an OTA update? Maybe with slightly less functionality but why can’t it just Bluetooth CarPlay?

It's done over an adhoc wifi network, not bluetooth.

As far as I understand it, it still uses Bluetooth to establish the connection, but the rest is done over Wifi (someone can feel free to correct me if not).

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sbahr001 wrote: post #96
imwithstoopid wrote: post #58

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problem is (from GM's perspective), with CarPlay, Apple takes over the UX of the car...the Apple logo is the first and last thing people see when driving GM doesn't want Apple or Google taking over the UX of the car, because then GM is eventually just another FoxConn and sure, there's a money thing...they want revshare from Spotify and every other app they can position in the UI CarPlay and Android Auto will be gone…

Typically, you see the logo before you get into the actual car. I would say you can tell by the shape, but some brands share too much in the looks department (cough Kia/Hyundai).

Kia and Hyundai are effectively the same company.

I assume Kia is South Korea’s lower end offering, Hyundai is their mid tier offering, and Genesis is their luxury offering.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by dreamcompiler »

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #56

Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile with this. Owners will be paying an extra subscription cost for these apps to be in their car which are already on their phone. Google Maps subscription free in these GM EVs only for the first 8 years. Then you pay a subscription with recurring billing. These veh…

And of course there is zero chance GM's software will be even 1/10 as easy to use as Apple's because no car manufacturer (except maybe Tesla) understands UI software or even acknowledges that it's important.

I already pay "subscriptions" for my car in the form of loan payments, insurance, and maintenance. I'm damn well not going to pay Mary Barra a monthly fee to use her crappy music service or enable my seat heaters to work.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bumby wrote: post #121
owenwil wrote: post #101

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It _is_ excellent, but it is annoyingly ignorant of integrating with phones. If you have an Android phone you can send and receive texts, but no other notifications come in and nothing else is projected there either. If you have an iPhone, it works _sometimes_ but I am rarely able to reply to messages using voice successfully. I wish it better extended into my phone, but it's largely because of Apple's rules, which I…

While annoying, my real gripe is what this says about their development process. If you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right?

> you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right

Does any major car manufacturer routinely nail their infotainment systems?

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by Arrath »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #57
Arrath wrote: post #29

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Give me an Aux jack or give me dea- Well, shit. Fine, give me bluetooth or give me death!

Actually, just the aux jack is perfectly fine. I have a car with just aux, and I bought a $37 aux to bluetooth adapter [1] that works perfectly. It is a small puck shaped thing you can attach on the dash, with physical buttons for play/pause/prev/next, a good-enough microphone and you can answer/end calls with the play button. If they release Bluetooth 6.0 or whatever with cool new features, then in a couple of years…

The only time I've been in a car with aux and without bluetooth was when briefly borrowing my mom's car when I visited home, so I haven't had a need for a product like this.

Good to know they work quite well! Thank you.

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