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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by sitkack »

dalyons wrote: post #170
Moto7451 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that CarPlay costs nothing other than implementation costs for car makers and head unit makers. Do you hav proof otherwise? This cost delta seems unlikely based just on CarPlay and Android Auto.

i think they mean that because of the "subscription revenue" potential of forcing people onto their propriety OS GM will be able to sell the car at a discount. Not that carplay costs more in of itself.

And then when they don't see the revenues, they dump Android Auto and get bailed out by the people again.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by scarface74 »

Just a little story:

Back in 2006, Apple went to Verizon and wanted certain concessions from them for the iPhone - including no third party crapware. Verizon refused. Apple went to their competitor AT&T who did accept Apple’s demands.

Verizon started losing customers and they came crawling back yo Apple.

Apple did the same in other countries with the same results.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by esskay »

yalogin wrote: post #32
plagiarist wrote: post #10

I don't want my car to team up with anyone, please. I don't want an already-outdated LCD screen and proprietary operating system in there becoming obsolete even faster than the battery wears out. I wish there were better options for that.

Isn't that the point of CarPlay and android auto? You don't have to rely on auto manufacturers to design the UI/UX for that screen and don't depend on the their OTA updates either.

Correct, guessing OP's never used it.

A good example: In 2015 I bought a tiny little Toyota Aygo (UK). It came with "Mirrorlink", it was the first car I'd ever owned that had a fancy touch screen, and it was advertised as working with iPhone's.

Now bearing in mind this was a brand new model, you can imagine how pissed off I was when I got the car, tried my phone and it didn't work, only to be told it only works with the iPhone 4 - we were on the 6S at that point.

To this day there has never been a software update. They continued selling that model with the misleading claims for about 4 years, eventually releasing a new model with carplay support. If I want carplay support added to mine, it needs the newer head unit which is around £900.

Car manufacturers are assholes. I dont want them having anything to do with the software, just make it work with carplay and android auto and then dont touch it, let the people that actually maintain their software on your phone deal with it all.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by Baeocystin »

mikestew wrote: post #157
DeRock wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

GM will absolutely lose this battle. They will, but not by standing firm. No, first will come the backlash, then GM will "listen to its customers" and backtrack on this. The problem is, I've already as of this morning stopped listening to GM. I sent the link to my wife, and now we're planning which Hyundai/Kia dealer to go to first to look at Ioniq 5s and $(whatever the equivalent Kia is called). Doug in Edmonds says…

As someone who is quite concerned that I'm going to have to sell my Kia because insurance companies are refusing to cover them because they're so easy to steal, just... be careful which model you pick.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kipchak »

kstrauser wrote: post #68
nickthegreek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in 2017, I didnt buy a toyota for the first time because they didn't offer carplay. I refuse to be stuck with a subpar experience for the 10 years I normally keep a vehicle. Absolutely ridiculous to not support both CarPlay and Android Auto.

That's where I'm at. Our 2016 Toyota has their horrible Entune system, and however much I like everything else about it, that thing irritates me every time I look at it.

Might be worth swapping out the head unit. Best Buy will sell you a Sony unit with installation for $250 for example.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Reason077 wrote: post #192
DeRock wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.” I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. On the other hand, Polestar uses Google’s Automotive OS for it’s infotainment system and yet also supports CarPlay. So the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

GM is very much not Tesla, though. They don't have Tesla's reputation of being tech-forward and somewhat competent in software UI/UX, plus I'd argue that the kind of buyers who'd consider e.g. a Bolt are those who are looking for normal cars that happen to be EVs — they're the type who'd normally be buying something like a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. They want something that's a reliable commuter, not a touchscreen gadget on wheels.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kgermino »

QuarterReptile wrote: post #183
joshstrange wrote: post #52

I largely ignored CarPlay since it came out since my car didn't support it and I didn't feel like I was missing much vs my mounted phone but recently I borrowed a car for a few days that had CarPlay and I really enjoyed it. So much better than anything from any car manufacturer and the integration was flawless. In fact, my biggest issue was figuring out how to get back into the CarPlay UI from the car default UI when…

Does carplay hijack the phone pretty aggressively? I've tried the Android one a few times, but it prevents manipulation of the phone while you're riding and the phone has to ask of the head unit (and be rejected) permission to disable Bluetooth to restore the phone. Then you have to ask the driver to get, unlock, and relinquish his phone for you to accomplish the task. It's possible I was the victim of bad default se…

IME the iPhone works normally, but if you have a navigation app running a route that app turns into a list of the next steps with no options to view a map, add a stop, or manipulate anything.

It's really frustrating for us when, e.g. we have the route to the final destination on screen but the passenger wants to look for a place to stop and eat. They either have to use the car touchscreen (intended for the driver and limiting for someone who can give it full attention) or juggle multiple maps apps or phones.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by vel0city »

Baeocystin wrote: post #205
mikestew wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GM will absolutely lose this battle. They will, but not by standing firm. No, first will come the backlash, then GM will "listen to its customers" and backtrack on this. The problem is, I've already as of this morning stopped listening to GM. I sent the link to my wife, and now we're planning which Hyundai/Kia dealer to go to first to look at Ioniq 5s and $(whatever the equivalent Kia is called). Doug in Edmonds says…

As someone who is quite concerned that I'm going to have to sell my Kia because insurance companies are refusing to cover them because they're so easy to steal, just... be careful which model you pick.

Its only really the models and years where they didn't have immobilizers. He's looking at an EV, it doesn't even have a cut key for starting the car.
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