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It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.
I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in that being an absolute requirement for a car purchase. I guess it's not surprising that GM is making another stupid move though.
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> your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. Is it? I’ve already turned off the Chevrolet Smart Driver or whatever it’s called, I know about that one sending data back to GM. And I canceled OnStar as soon as I purchased the vehicle, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if it’s still siphoning data anyway. Still, the situation would get worse for me because at least…
yes it is, i am intimately aware of that project :) onstar is always connected to the car, you cannot disable it.
> GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars. Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM v…
It's clear what happens next: 1. GM cars suddenly sell for $2-3k less than competition 2. Competition scrambles to catch up, implements similar shenanigans to monetize the car computer 3. No more unrestricted CarPlay
I really hope this isn't a start of a trend, but I have to wonder if the recent CarPlay taking over the entire car thing that Apple announced is kinda related? Every once in a while I end up renting a car that doesn't have CarPlay support and it sucks. CarPlay is great and it does what I need (music and directions, with the occasional message) while also keeping everything in sync with my phone.
Related, I suppose, but indirectly. From elsewhere: > GM said it expects its in-car subscription services to generate nearly $2 billion in revenue this year and will reach as high as $25 billion by the end of the decade I assume they view Carplay/Android Auto as a barrier to their subscription plans. Why would I pay for Map Updates, or Sirius subscription or whatever if I can just plug my phone in?
I would think a lot of people would just get a phone holder for their car, or just choose another car.
I mean GPS's charging for map updates hasn't been mainstream for 10ish years?
Well I guess this will be my last GM vehicle!
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I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in that being an absolute requirement for a car purchase. I guess it's not surprising that GM is making another stupid move though.
If it’s that dominant I wonder if there needs to be some anti-trust action done with Apple?
Apple isn’t forcing anything. They don’t have exclusive contacts. Almost every car with CarPlay supports Android Auto.
Customers are just demanding it.
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While annoying, my real gripe is what this says about their development process. If you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right?
> you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right Does any major car manufacturer routinely nail their infotainment systems?
After replacing the head unit in my Tacoma, I couldn't live my life w/o the modern amenities with Apple CarPlay, TBH. I drive my wife's Nissan and just so let down on the interface of early Rogues .. but at least the entire setup now comes up in a 2020 we drive. Anyway ... GM is shooting themselves in the foot on this one.
Which head unit did you choose? I’m looking to replace my factory default 2-din.
We've replaced the unit in the Sprinter RV with a JVC (which, from what I can gather, is just a Chinese brand that bought the name) for something like $300. We pretty much only use CarPlay in that vehicle, which is fine because the rest of the unit is pretty low-end, including the UI. But the CarPlay piece gets the job done.
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It's clear what happens next: 1. GM cars suddenly sell for $2-3k less than competition 2. Competition scrambles to catch up, implements similar shenanigans to monetize the car computer 3. No more unrestricted CarPlay
My understanding is that CarPlay costs nothing other than implementation costs for car makers and head unit makers. Do you hav proof otherwise? This cost delta seems unlikely based just on CarPlay and Android Auto.