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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by fghorow »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #61
KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.

Personally, I LOVE my (2019) Volt. FWIW, it also has AA/Car Play.

First they kill the Volt -- IMHO the best PHEV on the market when I bought it -- now they kill a vastly superior interface to anything I've ever used in a car.

Sorry GM, you might just have lost a (stockholding, for now, at least) customer.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by Reason077 »

DeRock wrote: post #98
midnitewarrior wrote: post #74

This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.”

I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas.

On the other hand, Polestar uses Google’s Automotive OS for it’s infotainment system and yet also supports CarPlay. So the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by bombcar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #138
bumby wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While annoying, my real gripe is what this says about their development process. If you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right?

> you can’t get these things right, how can I trust that you will get the safety critical software right Does any major car manufacturer routinely nail their infotainment systems?

Infotainment is so horribly universally bad that Apple CarPlay and the Android equivalent came into being.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #59

It's a shame there is not one universal automotive entertainment standard that can read and interpret from any device following that standard.

You'd think the EU would force the industry to come up with a standard.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by esskay »

ScoobleDoodle wrote: post #56

Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile with this. Owners will be paying an extra subscription cost for these apps to be in their car which are already on their phone. Google Maps subscription free in these GM EVs only for the first 8 years. Then you pay a subscription with recurring billing. These veh…

GM are seriously deluded if they think they can get anywhere near those figures. We all know how crappy their software will be, and why on earth would they think anyone will be stupid enough to pay a subscription for it when its free on every other car.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by polski-g »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #111
midnitewarrior wrote: post #74

This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.

“We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.”

I have been contacting federal and state legislators to get this practice banned. I urge others to do the same.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by zaroth »

cjdoc29 wrote: post #45
bb123 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Model 3’s system is one of the few out there that can actually compete with/replace CarPlay.

Agreed, but I have my gripes with the system. We waited a long time for Apple Music to come to the infotainment - and even then it's slow, you cannot adjust to a higher music quality, you can't download playlists to local storage, I need to login every month, etc. Additionally, my 2019 Model 3's infotainment is noticeably slower than a 2023's. I'd hate to be limited by compute in a car that I'll probably replace in 8…

Tesla started shipping the new AMD based MCU3 at the end of 2021. MCU2 in previously Model 3s is an Intel Atom architecture.

Previously Tesla offered MCU1 to MCU2 paid upgrades for Model S/X owners. It seems unlikely that Tesla will offer anything similar for MCU2 to MCU3 but not impossible that it could be done as a 3rd party retrofit. The connectors and physical dimensions are different so it’s not trivial.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by smt88 »

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #61
KMnO4 wrote: post #4

I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.

The reactions in this thread are interesting, because they seem to imply that this is the final straw that has convinced us to not buy Chevrolets and Buicks, as opposed to the last 30+ years of of their products being generally terrible.

It's been hard to predict the quality of electric vehicles based on the same brand's ICE/hybrid vehicles.

For example, Toyota is head and shoulders better than the competition at ICE and hybrids, but they're arguably last in EVs. In fact, Consumer Reports says the Chevy Bolt is currently the best EV[1].

1. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/electric-vehicl...

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