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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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But why? Why do we need to stop rurality and farming? If people want to keep doing it, why stop them?

I don't care, but a few decades ago we signed some papers at the EU level that said we should stop doing them in the way we do them. I know it sucks, but the Dutch are fast at pointing out other countries' misbehaviour so it's IMO only fair that we comply with what we said we would do. Massive simplification, but I don't think it's a completely unfair characterisation.

> I don't care

Well, It's easy to see why you get backlash when you tell people to change their way of life, get asked for a reason, and say you don't care.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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No worries at all, I don't take that personally, but may I ask what facts you think I am ignoring? The facts are as follows: 1. GDPR asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction. This is clearly documented and is within the text of the act itself. 2. This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR. I've provide…

> " This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR. " Here's an example of that not being true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload Or a more recent example that's related to financial/fraud regulations rather than copyright law, look at the FTX / Sam Bankman-Fried situation. Being registered in th…

> Here's an example of that not being true:

That's not an example at all. I'm talking specifics here. The GDPR is the first law of it's kind that just outright asserts jurisdiction anywhere, as long as the origin took some data from an EU citizen. That is absolutely unprecedented. I'm not aware of any remotely similar law in commerce or communications in any other country.

Megaupload is about an international seizure of a specific company, not farreaching broad open-ended legislation.

COPPA only applies domestically, and is significantly more narrow in scope. I know wiki says the FTC asserts it has international reach, but the actual text of the legislation (https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-C...) says no such thing, and the wiki says that opinion isn't taken seriously.

Also, in the case of Bytedance, they have a US presence which is why they were able to be sued in a US court: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.37...

So yeah, I would still say it's unprecedented, I really can't see how there is anything similar.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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> Other ways of measuring “happiness” are bullshit as cultures are different. Suicide is a great metric for happiness. Suicide rate doesn't measure anything except suicide rate. The happiness index and other studies are very thorough in what they measure, and choose things common to all cultures. Bizarre to be defending a totalitarian regime because you have no crime. I guess you really think the means justify the en…

Singapore is totalitarian? needs to be on a human rights list? Is one of the worst places to live? whats with this reddit-tier hyperbole? These comments are seriously out of touch, it comes off as trolling.

I'm not trolling. Just because it might be a very pleasant place to live doesn't mean it isn't also totalitarian.

They charge people coming into their country if they have weed in their system (or their law allows them to and it seems they enforce it enough that countries warn their citizens), breaking no law in their country, and quite likely adhering to the law in their country of origin.

They make suicide illegal and PUNISH peoples attempts at it.

You don't think those two points alone (without even bothing to list additional obscene laws) are INSANE? Do you really want to defend them?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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No worries at all, I don't take that personally, but may I ask what facts you think I am ignoring? The facts are as follows: 1. GDPR asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction. This is clearly documented and is within the text of the act itself. 2. This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR. I've provide…

#2 is simply not a fact. Wikipedia has a page on extraterritorial jurisdiction. There's a list[1] of specific laws passed around the world that grant extraterritorial jurisdiction. How can you say there is no precedent? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction#...

I mean specifically in the way GDPR does it.

GDPR asserts that anyone anywhere in the world must adhere to the GDPR if any EU citizens supply data to them. I'm not aware of any remotely similar laws in commerce or communications in any other country.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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post #267

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"The technocratic illusion is that poverty results from a shortage of expertise, whereas poverty is really about a shortage of rights." William Easterly. I too wish they'd know more about what they decide on, but really they should already rely on subject matter experts and otherwise I don't think the problem is lack of knowledge, as the quote indicates. It was said in the context of erradicating poverty but I think…

I'm not asking for all of our Ministers to be technocrats. They needn't be SMEs. They needn't even be a major player in the industry prior to becoming a politician. But in all honesty, a Technology Minister not having a technical background is like an Education Minister being unable to read or write. I'm not asking for some IEEE fellow with 100s of patent. I'm not even asking for a junior engineer with a couple of ye…

Of course more expertise is better when all else is equal, I thought the quote stood on its own to not be interpreted as asking for less expertise. Rather that the source of the problems is a disregard for people's rights and other more basic failures, than not understanding how an LLM works.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?

So do certain other people around them…

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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>> I want competent leadership in politics and business that is able to set up a culture of innovation. I don't really want my government 'innovating' much at all. I want them to provide for defense of the people and freedoms. How many competent government leaders have you seen?

Would you be OK with an AI government that caters to those objectives?

I think a more helpfully formulated question would be "why would I be OK with an AI government that caters to these objectives?"

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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The first car was slow too. The first computers were awful and nothing like today. There's countless examples like this. Lots of people are showing disturbing levels of lack of vision.

But now you're asking the government to regulate against a hypothetical damage that may never occur. The problem with "vision" is that we can all let our imaginations run wild about new technology is capable of. I remember having the exact same discussions on HN about autonomous vehicles over a decade ago. The consensus then was that autonomous vehicles would make truck and taxi drivers obsolete within 5 years, and t…

Oh right. I didn’t mean to say I think it needs regulation. I meant to say that I can imagine conservative people feeling threatened by this. Not saying they should, because I agree. It is limited and the real uses of GPT are quite a bit more subtle than “do everything for me” and it all needs to diffuse into society for a while. Which will probably take longer than we techies imagine it.

Edit: I do think there is a slight difference from your example here. Trucks are already here and driving them is a known thing and it is easy to see how it could work (making it work is still hard). Automating cognition itself is automating a nearly unknown skill. Nobody quite knows what it is we are doing and what box we are opening.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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i've seen a lot of buzz around such tools in the italian Linkedin space, it was either praised as the ultimate tool to automate jobs or feared it would leave unemployed a lot of office workers. i understand both sides and can confidently say that this ban was made for the latter concern; the italian job space revolves so much around bullshit employment practices (unpaid internships, long term employment for useless tasks), that an action like that is somewhat understandable, as these tools would render their job either just a useless chore or result in firing. and as the market is heavily controlled and protectionist of its workers, even if it means employing people for useless jobs (as long as they are paid almost pennies, and their salary doesn't grow) ai tools are seen as some foreign entity that need banning, as it challenges this vicious cycle of keeping everything down. note that workers are to blame too, there's almost close to none innovation in anything besides IT, because you either innovate and then force everyone else to be competitive in the field, or keep everything as it is and just ban competition in subtle and disgusting ways.

for reference, my family taxes are handled by a tax consultant, i do my taxes through an online service, which is way cheaper than having a dedicated consultant. since my mother couldn't keep her mouth shut, somehow this information got leaked to the family tax consultant, resulting in a police search of my office, and a mandatory visit to a police station almost an hour away. this kind of stuff happens regularly.

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