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Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Good summary: https://www.politico.eu/article/italian-privacy-regulator-ba... The key issue under GDPR seems to be that OpenAI: > lacks a legal basis justifying "the mass collection and storage of personal data ... to 'train' the algorithms" of ChatGPT" My reading: OpenAI could comply with this by modifying ChatGPT to give users protected by GDPR a clear choice to opt-in vs opt-out on their chats being used as future…

They already stopped using chats as training material for everyone anyway, so if that's the basis for the ban then it's already wrong. But what do you expect? This is exactly the kind of problem people have constantly pointed out with the GDPR. It's vague, has many unintended consequences, massively empowers low-competence regulatory regimes and constantly interferes with innovation and new tech. The EU will continue…

> They already stopped using chats as training material for everyone anyway, so if that's the basis for the ban then it's already wrong.

Your Honor, I only murdered people in the past. I'm not murdering anyone at the moment so I should be set free!

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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I'll jump in here between the two of you and say that from my point of view it's you ignoring facts not jacquesm. I accept that if you believe jacquesm to be arguing in bad faith there's not a way to say that without it being a little bit rude, but I believe that description actually applies to your comments and not theirs. edit: your original claim- > GDPR tries to enforce its rules on servers outside of its territo…

No worries at all, I don't take that personally, but may I ask what facts you think I am ignoring? The facts are as follows: 1. GDPR asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction. This is clearly documented and is within the text of the act itself. 2. This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR. I've provide…

#2 is simply not a fact. Wikipedia has a page on extraterritorial jurisdiction. There's a list[1] of specific laws passed around the world that grant extraterritorial jurisdiction. How can you say there is no precedent?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction#...

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Government doesn't ban books because some of them are inappropriate for minors though. They let parents handle this.

It does ban the sale of videogames and movies though. Via the "age rating" mechanism.

They don't ban sale of videogames/movies based on age rating mechanism, they restrict the sales. These words are not the same and not to be used interchangeably.

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As an example, Boris Johnson infamously claimed in the runup to brexit that "Prawn Cocktail" flavour crisps were being banned by the EU. It turned out that the UK had simply forgotten to submit this flavour to the list of flavourings when it was being compiled. This error was quietly corrected (by the UK).[1] [1] From the FT but here's a non-paywalled link https://archive.is/p4H9X

Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Report from Germany: Haven't received a spam call in years.

Also from Germany: I have. Please don't assume something does not happen because it doesn't happen to you.

He didn't assume that, though, just reported his situation.

From Poland: I have two numbers - one I use for various services, and it's constantly bombarded with spam (multiple calls a day), one I only use to contact family members, sometimes some small companies like when ordering firewood - got two phonecalls from an unknown number within a couple days (and I didn't care to answer), and that's it for almost a year now.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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As an example, Boris Johnson infamously claimed in the runup to brexit that "Prawn Cocktail" flavour crisps were being banned by the EU. It turned out that the UK had simply forgotten to submit this flavour to the list of flavourings when it was being compiled. This error was quietly corrected (by the UK).[1] [1] From the FT but here's a non-paywalled link https://archive.is/p4H9X

Why the hell is there a list of crisp flavors at the EU? What if I want to make and sell my own original one?

I'd say that there's two different styles of legislation here. AFAIK in the US (and maybe UK too) a producer can put whatever they want into their products but can be sued to death in case sth goes wrong. Most EU countries have a different flavor such that they try to tightly control products and their ingredients upfront. Imho both styles have their pros and cons.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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It's authoritarian to prevent their citizens from using a tool that makes them more productive and gives them a way to explore a new technology. Imagine if Italy banned Google searches in 2002. Actually, China did that and we rightfully called them authoritarian then, just like we should call Italy authoritarian now.

Nope, it's enforcing an EU directive. Read up GDPR. Italy is actually trying to protect its citizens.

Italy is definitely succeeding at protecting its citizens from entering the 21st century.

Let’s be real here. Italy is a dinosaur and scared shitless of change. ChatGPT, lab grown meat, immigration, the list will only get longer.

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> 'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' > So do (certain) books. Minors are typically given books that are appropriate to "their degree of development and self-awareness."

TV has plenty of material that is absolutely unsuitable "compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness." The only protection they have is that they those materials are usually (but not always) available in certain hours and there is a nice warning before that says that the content is not appropriate for them.

TV news hyping death and violence comes on at child-friendly times. My 8 y.o. was watching sport and an advert for a serial killer movie came on replete with horror scenes and knife murder. Warning? You're kidding.

Chat GPT I can manage the same way I can manage search engine and video site use.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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But this is a domestic regulator, making a domestic finding. This isn't an EU level decision. Countries in the EU have a lot of control over their own affairs, as they should. Conflating EU and Domestic policies is a bad thing (this was done a lot in the UK)

Conflating EU and Domestic policies probably happens in every EU country. It's also a German thing to fingerpoint at Brussels. This whole ping-pong is disastrous for our democracies. In this certain case, I see already other nation's leaders and eventually the EU commission feeling inspired by this "bold" way Italy deals with ChatGPT. And #chatcontrol is an issue that directly comes from the EU commission (again the…

> It's also a German thing to fingerpoint at Brussels

I wonder where Belgians point to. Schuman?

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