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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by vasco »

cowl wrote: post #237
SanderNL wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your point is GPT is way more dangerous? I guess I can be nonchalant about this topic. For me personally I cannot imagine something worse than either books or anything you can already access on the internet. To me it is not an assault rifle as you say, but I understand that's just an opinion.

Books are under control, children can not enter a library and get Adult books. The internet in general can have filters and many Parents activate personal firewalls for this purpose. Even Google has safeSearch that filters results for explicit adult or violent content. ChatGpt right now does not have these "parental controls". yes you can bypass most of them but you need to know technical details. they can not be byp…

> The internet in general can have filters and many Parents activate personal firewalls for this purpose.

These tools exist where a non technical user can install it in their own network and block websites by URL. I don't know what else is needed, since you acknowledge this already exists.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by simonh »

roomey wrote: post #253
nforgerit wrote: post #218

Gosh. Only about 10 years ago I used to be a convinced European from Germany. The last couple of years I started having my doubts that the EU will ever find its own legit style of handling tech concerns. Everything is crumbling and we still see deeply arrogant leadership seemingly trying to bs their way through the current turmoil. And what do they do? Regulate ChatGPT, try to introduce mass-surveillance through #cha…

But this is a domestic regulator, making a domestic finding. This isn't an EU level decision. Countries in the EU have a lot of control over their own affairs, as they should. Conflating EU and Domestic policies is a bad thing (this was done a lot in the UK)

It was done massively in the UK, there were many cases of prominent criticism of "EU regulations" that we'd either actively championed, or were optional and chosen to adopt, or that we had actually oped out of anyway.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by SanderNL »

Aromasin wrote: post #244
dagorenouf wrote: post #130

Europe on top of innovation once again. Watch out US and China! /s (I say this as a French citizen)

About once a week I consider dropping out of the tech industry and becoming a politician just so I don't have to sit and watch by the sidelines as incompetent, ignorant people, who studied humanities with not a drop a technical aptitude, bullshit their way through funding and regulating technology. They are never well informed enough to come up with any sort or coherent solution, because they're barely capable in act…

To be fair I think being a good politician requires a lot of competency. Way more than we have available. Not unlike software, the field is riddled with people that do a minimally-OK job, but couldn't actually care less about what they are doing or are so incompetent they cannot even see it. In a soft setting you can get really far like that. Tech usually stops you sooner, because things just don't work if you mess up. Social settings don't share that property.

I don't disagree with your general point that technical competency is a really, really good idea, but I don't share the I guess cynism. Lots of people don't have the capabilities of their subordinates and that doesn't stop them from being effective leaders. The leaders we look at are just incompetent.

It's the job. It sucks. Nobody that is actually good would want to do it. It ends your life.

Edit: it also doesn't help that these leaders are chosen either directly or indirectly by people - the general public - that have no idea what the job actually entails. To become a politician you have to endure the political equivalent of a modern code interview - being "popular" - without actually testing if you can do the actual job and have the required levels of competency for it.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by emporas »

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

GPT can help creating legal documents, in a very easy and quick way, by everyone, a small child or a plumber. Lawyers in general try to stifle competition in order for their salaries to go sky high. So what's the profession of a lawmaker, most of the time?

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Post by tablespoon »

SanderNL wrote: post #220
cft wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an American that have been living in Europe for 15 months. My perspective is that Europe is ruled by old aristocracy that is happy with the way the life is. They're very afraid of any change, especially of giving people something constructive to do on a large scale. Another reason might be that Europe went through the two World wars, and therefore they're generally scared of any change.

I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change. I'm in the Netherlands as you can tell and 'even' we are not that much more progressive. There is currently a massive farmer uprising and everybody is complaining literally non-stop about just about everything. Meanwhile nobody has even…

> I have a unpopular opinion about this, but IMO it is the population that causes this. Vast swaths of Europe are rural especially in the south. Very, very averse to any kind of change.

And vast swathes of technologists are insanely over-enthusiastic about technical change, to the point of it resembling a religion (and the singularitarians are like the monks who self-immolate themselves, except they want to immolate all the rest of us, too).

Frankly, it's probably far wiser to take it slow than charge full speed ahead for no good reason and just hope you can fix the problems you cause.

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Post by vasco »

Aromasin wrote: post #244
dagorenouf wrote: post #130

Europe on top of innovation once again. Watch out US and China! /s (I say this as a French citizen)

About once a week I consider dropping out of the tech industry and becoming a politician just so I don't have to sit and watch by the sidelines as incompetent, ignorant people, who studied humanities with not a drop a technical aptitude, bullshit their way through funding and regulating technology. They are never well informed enough to come up with any sort or coherent solution, because they're barely capable in act…

"The technocratic illusion is that poverty results from a shortage of expertise, whereas poverty is really about a shortage of rights."

William Easterly.

I too wish they'd know more about what they decide on, but really they should already rely on subject matter experts and otherwise I don't think the problem is lack of knowledge, as the quote indicates. It was said in the context of erradicating poverty but I think it applies to these discussions too.

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Post by davidktr »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #254
fofoz wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

Report from Germany: Haven't received a spam call in years.

Also from Germany: I have. Please don't assume something does not happen because it doesn't happen to you.

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Post by IOT_Apprentice »

fofoz wrote: post #109
prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

I am also writing from Italy. In the last few months I have received so many spam calls from UK numbers that I have been forced to ban the whole of Britain from my phone. Good job Data Protection authority.

The UK has left the EU. They appear to not be abiding by EU privacy laws as a result.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by swores »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #259
swores wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll jump in here between the two of you and say that from my point of view it's you ignoring facts not jacquesm. I accept that if you believe jacquesm to be arguing in bad faith there's not a way to say that without it being a little bit rude, but I believe that description actually applies to your comments and not theirs. edit: your original claim- > GDPR tries to enforce its rules on servers outside of its territo…

No worries at all, I don't take that personally, but may I ask what facts you think I am ignoring? The facts are as follows: 1. GDPR asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction. This is clearly documented and is within the text of the act itself. 2. This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR. I've provide…

> "This is unprecedented. There is no other law from any (lets say first world) country that asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction to anywhere even close to the GDPR."

Here's an example of that not being true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload

Or a more recent example that's related to financial/fraud regulations rather than copyright law, look at the FTX / Sam Bankman-Fried situation. Being registered in the Bahamas didn't make what FTX was doing to US customers any less illegal in the eyes of the US justice system.

Or, I mentioned COPPA earlier, and that's been enforced at least once against a Chinese company - https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2019/02/largest-f...

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