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PyCharm 2023.1

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Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#41

> It has been created to reduce visual complexity, provide easy access to essential features, and progressively disclose complex functionality as needed – resulting in a cleaner look and feel. Please, Jetbrains, and everyone else out there, I beg you, please stop shipping these redesigned UIs that look prettier but are infinitely times less functional and reduce information density by orders of magnitude. Especially…

I don't mind the changes

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#42

I think that IDEs a becoming more useful since our reliance on LLM tooling for code production increases. That said, why isn't there any good alternative to webstorm?

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Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#43

I've fully moved past jetbrains. The program is slower than every other IDE I use. Any time you reboot or change environments there it takes like 3-10 minutes with my tower. I know that seems like a niche reason, but when no other IDE has this issue, and they have similar/better plugins; why bother? Since the VIM addon of Spyder, I've been hooked. I personally like the data visualizations the best. They are fast and…

Unfortunately this is very true. My machine has 64 gb of ram 3600, and a AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor. Even inside openbox jetbrains apps run extremely slow. Tried on windows, tried on mac, i endup in the same place. Sadly I will have to give in to using vs code.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#44

I've fully moved past jetbrains. The program is slower than every other IDE I use. Any time you reboot or change environments there it takes like 3-10 minutes with my tower. I know that seems like a niche reason, but when no other IDE has this issue, and they have similar/better plugins; why bother? Since the VIM addon of Spyder, I've been hooked. I personally like the data visualizations the best. They are fast and…

I've got two IntelliJ projects and two Pycharm projects open right now (all of them are of significant complexity), on a 7 year old Macbook Pro with 16 GB of RAM, and they're running fine. There's a small UI lag at times, but nothing that would remotely cause me grief.

But I don't use many plugins, maybe that's the difference.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#45

I think that IDEs a becoming more useful since our reliance on LLM tooling for code production increases. That said, why isn't there any good alternative to webstorm?

>That said, why isn't there any good alternative to webstorm?

Sadly all the people who could build one are on HN complaining/nitpicking about the various deficiencies of Jetbrains IDEs :)

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#46

I've fully moved past jetbrains. The program is slower than every other IDE I use. Any time you reboot or change environments there it takes like 3-10 minutes with my tower. I know that seems like a niche reason, but when no other IDE has this issue, and they have similar/better plugins; why bother? Since the VIM addon of Spyder, I've been hooked. I personally like the data visualizations the best. They are fast and…

I don't think any other IDE has "better" functionality. A Jetbrains IDE packs a ton of features (I have tried several alternatives but none come close). The only language where VSCode even seriously competes is Typescript (Rider is much better at C#). I used them originally on 4GB laptop and now on 16GB macbook, and I never found it to be too slow. (the indexing part can be slow, but they mitigated it somewhat by allowing you to download pre built indexes).

I have never spent 5 minutes on any index operation in almost any Jetbrains IDE. You might want to check your VMOptions and see if there is anything in there causing it to be extra slow.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#47

> It has been created to reduce visual complexity, provide easy access to essential features, and progressively disclose complex functionality as needed – resulting in a cleaner look and feel. Please, Jetbrains, and everyone else out there, I beg you, please stop shipping these redesigned UIs that look prettier but are infinitely times less functional and reduce information density by orders of magnitude. Especially…

I don't mind the changes

And that's fine! But why do software vendors feel the need to shove a new design down everyone's throat, even for those who don't want or care for it?

As far as I can tell, there is an option to opt out of the new UI, but I won't bank on it lasting long.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#48
I'm afraid I lost faith in PyCharm etc when the professional version I paid for on the basis of its promise to allow remote development and debugging didn't remotely (ha!) work.

Switched to VSCode and haven't looked back.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#49

Still a knights battle helmet when it comes to looking on text. Transparent Modal background to the text is were its at in my opinion. That and buttons on the side. One key to switch into the background. One key to switch the modes.

> That and buttons on the side. They seem to be experimenting with a new-look UI that has buttons on the side. I just enabled it quickly here, and it's clearly a VS Code clone. :( Just reverted back to the standard layout, which I'm more used to. Hopefully they don't try and force this new layout on everyone. Otherwise, people might as well actually just swap to VS Code.

Yeah, right. People will totally switch to a less powerful IDE just because of a small UI change.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

#50
post #18

Will JetBrains IDEs survive VSCode + GPT plugins combo?

For statically typed languages (java,go,c#,kotlin), I find Jetbrains better than VSCode even when VSCode has copilot and Jetbrains doesn't. The thing is, a Jetbrains IDE makes so many things possible and easy, like refactoring complex chunks of code very quickly, then applying it throughout a large codebase. Unless GPT starts doing more than writing small code for functions, Jetbrains will be fine for some time.
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