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PyCharm 2023.1

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Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by eigenvalue »

joppy wrote: post #2

I hope they also worked on removing the many UI bugs from PyCharm remote: laggy scrolling while in the diff view, some editor settings like rulers at 100/120 chars not working properly, some settings panes lagging out until the editor is restarted, etc etc. I need to develop on a remote VM and I’m using VSCode at the moment because it’s remote story is less buggy, but would much rather be using PyCharm.

The remote feature (Jetbrains Gateway) is so buggy that it made me completely stop using PyCharm, since I’m mostly developing remotely now. Whereas the VScode remote feature works beautifully. I also found their Copilot plug-in to be buggy, and that’s also a must have. It’s a shame because, aside from those things, I really like PyCharm. But those things are absolute deal killers for me.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by Justsignedup »

eCa wrote: post #3

> It has been created to reduce visual complexity, provide easy access to essential features, and progressively disclose complex functionality as needed – resulting in a cleaner look and feel. I’ll probably try it out in a while, but the only thing I potentially care about of those things is ”easy access to essential features”. If clean look makes things harder to find, then that would be a sign that they don’t know…

Been using Rubymine, their new look is great and all features I use daily are still easily accessible.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by cleanchit »

joppy wrote: post #2

I hope they also worked on removing the many UI bugs from PyCharm remote: laggy scrolling while in the diff view, some editor settings like rulers at 100/120 chars not working properly, some settings panes lagging out until the editor is restarted, etc etc. I need to develop on a remote VM and I’m using VSCode at the moment because it’s remote story is less buggy, but would much rather be using PyCharm.

What issues are you facing? Last time I checked, running headless intellij on a server and editing code on it without ssh latency was a breeze.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by rxhernandez »

BozeWolf wrote: post #13
lindbergh wrote: post #7

Interesting. I heard many good things about Pycharm, but it kind of looks bloated? How does it compare to VS Code (which is quite good (notebook and repl support mostly), but not great, in particular regarding the debugging experience)?

People always use bloated as an argument against something. Bloated framework, bloated linux distro, bloated ide… What really is the problem with having all “the plugins installed”/features, nicely integrated, always compatible, reasonably configurable, maintained and with support vs inflating a minimal editor (framework, *) yourself, without all the advantages mentioned earlier. Yes it may cost some cheap memory, vs…

> Everything just works

That's... That's a huge stretch. I've been on an outdated version of pycharm for nearly a year now because they broke support for docker-compose in a pretty huge way. Moreover, I have yet to have a pycharm project where I didn't need to create my own docker override file.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

> It has been created to reduce visual complexity, provide easy access to essential features, and progressively disclose complex functionality as needed – resulting in a cleaner look and feel.

Please, Jetbrains, and everyone else out there, I beg you, please stop shipping these redesigned UIs that look prettier but are infinitely times less functional and reduce information density by orders of magnitude. Especially for something like an IDE, with a huge base of power users--all this serves is dumbing down software when the vast majority of your users want the exact opposite.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by cleanchit »

joppy wrote: post #16
lindbergh wrote: post #7

Interesting. I heard many good things about Pycharm, but it kind of looks bloated? How does it compare to VS Code (which is quite good (notebook and repl support mostly), but not great, in particular regarding the debugging experience)?

The IntelliJ git interface makes a lot of sense, and makes many helpful operations easy, like “compare what I have now to this particular commit”. The VSCode git interface, even with plugins like GitLens, seems to make these operations hard to get to, and how VSCode manages diffs with the staging area involved is totally bananas. Aside from that, PyCharm has a slightly better debugging interface but otherwise it’s qu…

Don't forget "compare selection to clipboard"

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by vladvasiliu »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #35

> It has been created to reduce visual complexity, provide easy access to essential features, and progressively disclose complex functionality as needed – resulting in a cleaner look and feel. Please, Jetbrains, and everyone else out there, I beg you, please stop shipping these redesigned UIs that look prettier but are infinitely times less functional and reduce information density by orders of magnitude. Especially…

Agree. And this feels all the more useless that they already had a "low-distraction" mode for a while.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by beached_whale »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #35

> It has been created to reduce visual complexity, provide easy access to essential features, and progressively disclose complex functionality as needed – resulting in a cleaner look and feel. Please, Jetbrains, and everyone else out there, I beg you, please stop shipping these redesigned UIs that look prettier but are infinitely times less functional and reduce information density by orders of magnitude. Especially…

They are trying this with Clion and the toolchain/target interface that works well now. They hid all the targets and one needs more clicks to chose a new one because it became an MRU list. The splitting of the two was nice, but give me all my targets so I can get my work done. The two dropdowns didn’t hurt though, it was always two clicks, but now you can more easily see what toolchain is in use.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by hospitalJail »

I've fully moved past jetbrains. The program is slower than every other IDE I use. Any time you reboot or change environments there it takes like 3-10 minutes with my tower. I know that seems like a niche reason, but when no other IDE has this issue, and they have similar/better plugins; why bother?

Since the VIM addon of Spyder, I've been hooked. I personally like the data visualizations the best. They are fast and have lots of features. Seems like spyder is underrated in the python world, although VSCode is ofc incredibly dynamic.

Re: PyCharm 2023.1

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Post by foxandmouse »

I think that IDEs a becoming more useful since our reliance on LLM tooling for code production increases. That said, why isn't there any good alternative to webstorm?
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