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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by quadcore »

bboygravity wrote: post #13
sarusso wrote: post #10

I really don't get this kind of bans. When I connect to a service in the US, my bits are traveling there. Italy "banning" ChatGPT (whatever it means) is like preventing me from getting high in Amsterdam because, as an Italian citizen, I should not be allowed to.. Never got it, and never will.

Singapore actually does drug tests on random Singaporeans returning from holidays to enforce exactly that.

Fun fact, canadians are warned they'll be tested for cannabis if they travel to singapore (one can end up in jail iirc): https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/singapore

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by martin_a »

ithkuil wrote: post #44
martin_a wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By indexing and training on everything it can find in the internet?! To explain this further: OpenAI et al. (as commercial products) are being trained on content that is published under licenses that allow non-commercial use only. Do those systems respect these licenses? It doesn't look like that. "AI companies" need to stick to laws but as nobody is able to look inside their blackboxes, we can't make sure they follo…

> By indexing and training on everything it can find in the internet?! and that's bad because? I would see the point if they were training on my private data I entrusted to somebody and they illegally obtained it without my permission. Are they doing that?

See my edit: They will ignore licensing information and train on data, possible privacy related information too, without any respect.

See this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32573523

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by flopriore »

capableweb wrote: post #15
oriettaxx wrote: post #6

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[translation with google] Provision of March 30, 2023 Register of measures n. 112 of 30 March 2023 THE GUARANTOR FOR THE PROTECTION OF PERSONAL DATA HAVING REGARD TO Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 April 2016 (hereinafter, the "Regulation"); HAVING REGARD also to the Personal Data Protection Code (Legislative Decree No. 196 of 30 June 2003); NOTING the numerous interventio…

And here is a translation by ChatGPT (GPT-4) together with a diff against what Google Translate provided you: https://www.diffchecker.com/gPop1UpU/ (Google Translate on the left, GPT-4 on the right) Now we just need a authentic Italian to tell us which version is most accurate :)

"RECOGNIZING, therefore, the need to have, pursuant to art. 58, par. 2, lit. f), of the Regulations - as a matter of urgency and pending the completion of the necessary investigation with respect to what has emerged so far against OpenAI LLC, a US company that develops and manages ChatGPT, the extent of the temporary limitation of the treatment;"

I'm Italian. The proper translation is: "RECOGNIZING, therefore, the need to have the measure to temporarily limit the treatment, pursuant to art. 58, par. 2, lit. f), of the Regulations - as a matter of urgency and pending the completion of the necessary investigation with respect to what has emerged so far against OpenAI LLC, a US company that develops and manages ChatGPT". Everything else is translated pretty well.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jprete »

favsq wrote: post #33
jprete wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They use every bit of data they can find without regard to the rights of the authors, publishers, or subjects of the data?

Is this coming from the same community that has always said that copyright has to be abolished?

No.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by epolanski »

baxtr wrote: post #41

Saying this as a European: Whenever I visit Italy, I love the food, I love the people, I love the weather and the beaches. However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past. This decision will not accelerate Italy's progress towards a more prosperous future.

I see no correlation between "being entrenched in medieval past" and verifying an internet service respects European privacy laws.

If anything this news points to the opposite: that Italy takes privacy seriously in the digital world while large parts of the world are at the "who cares, they already have all my data" stage.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Robin_Message »

menzoic wrote: post #32
quonn wrote: post #5

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This 4% rule really has teeth. It is even more interesting for Microsoft, where this would probably eat most of the profit.

Capped at 20 million euros

https://gdpr.eu/fines/ - 20 million euros or 4% of global turnover, whichever is higher. It's not capped; it's designed to be more harmful to smaller businesses†, but it does scale with business size.

† I mean, that's probably not the exact intention, but that is the effect of a huge monetary cap alongside the proportion of turnover. I also think 4% of turnover is problematic given the old Pinto equation (https://www.spokesman.com/blogs/autos/2008/oct/17/pinto-memo... ); I'd rather a cap set in the region of 150% of global gross profit, but capitalists would never go for that.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by jacquesm »

menzoic wrote: post #32
quonn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This 4% rule really has teeth. It is even more interesting for Microsoft, where this would probably eat most of the profit.

Capped at 20 million euros

No. You can be fined in the billions under the GDPR if your turnover warrants it.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by bboygravity »

0xferruccio wrote: post #8

Crazy to see how fast all of this is evolving. Honestly the downside of explosive growth is that all of a sudden you need to ramp up resources to deal with these sort of legal T&C issues. It makes sense that now that they're huge they need to operate as a more mature company. They'll hire some expensive lawyers and enable Facebook style age verification on sign up and they'll get away from this one. But I'm sure they…

Isn't openAI basically Microsoft now?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by AmericanChopper »

yuri91 wrote: post #12

I asked ChatGPT what it thinks about this ruling: As an AI language model, I do not collect personal data directly as I do not have access to user information. However, I understand that OpenAI, the company that developed and manages the platform, has been ordered to temporarily limit the processing of data of Italian users and is under investigation by the Italian Data Protection Authority. As an AI language model,…

> My training data is sourced from publicly available text on the internet and does not specifically target any individual or collect personal data.

Training on publicly available data doesn’t mean that it doesn’t collect PII. Just ask it “who is ?” to demonstrate this for yourself. I asked it about some of my colleagues and it was able to write a brief profile about them, and they’d barely qualify as public figures at all.

GDPR supposedly allows you to process public data without consent, but I’m not an expert on that specific usecase, and it seems to have plenty of grey areas. The right to be forgotten still applies though, and LLMs seem as though they would struggle with that. To me it looks like it’s probably one of the areas where GDPR is just manifestly impractical to manage, and the European courts have a habit of saying “too bad” in those situations.

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