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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

#41
Saying this as a European: Whenever I visit Italy, I love the food, I love the people, I love the weather and the beaches.

However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past.

This decision will not accelerate Italy's progress towards a more prosperous future.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Crazy to see how fast all of this is evolving. Honestly the downside of explosive growth is that all of a sudden you need to ramp up resources to deal with these sort of legal T&C issues. It makes sense that now that they're huge they need to operate as a more mature company. They'll hire some expensive lawyers and enable Facebook style age verification on sign up and they'll get away from this one. But I'm sure they…

The GDPR has extensive requirements that can't be met by ChatGPT because it's training on public data sources everywhere.

"Public" data sources aren't in conflict with GDPR

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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This 4% rule really has teeth. It is even more interesting for Microsoft, where this would probably eat most of the profit.

Capped at 20 million euros

Not so. The maximum fine for serious GDPR infringements is up to 20 million Euros or 4% of global turnover, whichever is higher.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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In what way does ChatGPT behave like they own the world?

By indexing and training on everything it can find in the internet?! To explain this further: OpenAI et al. (as commercial products) are being trained on content that is published under licenses that allow non-commercial use only. Do those systems respect these licenses? It doesn't look like that. "AI companies" need to stick to laws but as nobody is able to look inside their blackboxes, we can't make sure they follo…

> By indexing and training on everything it can find in the internet?!

and that's bad because?

I would see the point if they were training on my private data I entrusted to somebody and they illegally obtained it without my permission. Are they doing that?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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[translation with google] Provision of March 30, 2023 Register of measures n. 112 of 30 March 2023 THE GUARANTOR FOR THE PROTECTION OF PERSONAL DATA HAVING REGARD TO Regulation (EU) 2016/679 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 27 April 2016 (hereinafter, the "Regulation"); HAVING REGARD also to the Personal Data Protection Code (Legislative Decree No. 196 of 30 June 2003); NOTING the numerous interventio…

And here is a translation by ChatGPT (GPT-4) together with a diff against what Google Translate provided you: https://www.diffchecker.com/gPop1UpU/ (Google Translate on the left, GPT-4 on the right) Now we just need a authentic Italian to tell us which version is most accurate :)

I found Google Translate to be quite poor at translating nowadays, so I'd say GPT wins hands down. A worthy translating tool to me is deepl.com. Here's a diff between DeepL and your previous GPT one: https://www.diffchecker.com/jMgSgidy/

That said, all 3 do a decent job at translating, it's really hard for me to say which got closer (I can say GTranslate sure didnt, but it's not far behind) those kinds of docs employ legalese that's sometimes way removed from colloquial italian (e.g. "ovvero" almost always means "that is" in italian, but always means "or else" in legal documents).

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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post #10

I really don't get this kind of bans. When I connect to a service in the US, my bits are traveling there. Italy "banning" ChatGPT (whatever it means) is like preventing me from getting high in Amsterdam because, as an Italian citizen, I should not be allowed to.. Never got it, and never will.

You are ignoring everything GDPR is about. European data, European rules.

GDPR tries to enforce its rules on servers outside of its territory.

I'm still waiting to see how well that holds up in court.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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post #32
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This 4% rule really has teeth. It is even more interesting for Microsoft, where this would probably eat most of the profit.

Capped at 20 million euros

> […], whichever amount is higher.

https://gdpr.eu/fines/

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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post #41

Saying this as a European: Whenever I visit Italy, I love the food, I love the people, I love the weather and the beaches. However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past. This decision will not accelerate Italy's progress towards a more prosperous future.

I am actually very happy about this. If you like to have no protection over how big corporate treats your data as your own, and ingests whatever whenever they need to profit off your personal information, be my guest.

But I am happy to have a watchdog over my basic human rights.

> However, I often sense that in many places, the country seems to be entrenched in its medieval past.

It might be. But not on this front.

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