Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth • Hacker News Board

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by samarudge » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 3:24 PM UTC

tluyben2 wrote: post #40

samarudge wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are one of the largest hosts in Europe (~50k dedicated servers if I remember correctly). Large doesn't always mean best, though. Similar to OVH, they provide good hardware, reliability and a decent enough network, but if anything goes wrong you best know how to fix it yourself. I also believe their network isn't /as/ good as somewhere like Rackspace however with CDN's etc. that's probably not as much of an issue…

OVH definitely does not provide good hardware; we have more broken disks and NICs there than all our other hosters combined. Edit: I see we might be exceptions. We have been using OVH since 2005, running up to 40 servers about 2 years ago. We are also running at iWeb, Softlayer, Amazon and Leaseweb. Hardware wise the only one we have issues with is OVH, and i'm talking every 2 weeks since 2005 (in 2006 they managed t…

Really? I guess you're experience differs from mine. Currently we have 5 servers with OVH (Ranging from high to low end) and have never had a single hardware issue. We've had 4 of these servers for +18 months and 1 for +2 years with no issues at all. That being said, they're not exactly known for their fast response times to support calls although I believe they have a 2hr SLA for critical hardware failures. I guess it's just down to experiences though, I have all our high-profile servers/apps with UK2 or LiquidWeb.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by _Lemon_ » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 3:27 PM UTC

tluyben2 wrote: post #40

samarudge wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are one of the largest hosts in Europe (~50k dedicated servers if I remember correctly). Large doesn't always mean best, though. Similar to OVH, they provide good hardware, reliability and a decent enough network, but if anything goes wrong you best know how to fix it yourself. I also believe their network isn't /as/ good as somewhere like Rackspace however with CDN's etc. that's probably not as much of an issue…

OVH definitely does not provide good hardware; we have more broken disks and NICs there than all our other hosters combined. Edit: I see we might be exceptions. We have been using OVH since 2005, running up to 40 servers about 2 years ago. We are also running at iWeb, Softlayer, Amazon and Leaseweb. Hardware wise the only one we have issues with is OVH, and i'm talking every 2 weeks since 2005 (in 2006 they managed t…

OVH put brand new disks in every server sold.

They also do remarkably well: out of the thousands I've had from Leaseweb and OVH, OVH wins hands down.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by ergo14 » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 3:34 PM UTC

dberg wrote: post #34

Is there a US version of this ?

The closest match would be http://leaseweb.com/, which is more expensive but they do have US based boxes too.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by NARKOZ » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 3:51 PM UTC

tluyben2 wrote: post #40

samarudge wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are one of the largest hosts in Europe (~50k dedicated servers if I remember correctly). Large doesn't always mean best, though. Similar to OVH, they provide good hardware, reliability and a decent enough network, but if anything goes wrong you best know how to fix it yourself. I also believe their network isn't /as/ good as somewhere like Rackspace however with CDN's etc. that's probably not as much of an issue…

OVH definitely does not provide good hardware; we have more broken disks and NICs there than all our other hosters combined. Edit: I see we might be exceptions. We have been using OVH since 2005, running up to 40 servers about 2 years ago. We are also running at iWeb, Softlayer, Amazon and Leaseweb. Hardware wise the only one we have issues with is OVH, and i'm talking every 2 weeks since 2005 (in 2006 they managed t…

Strange to hear that about OVH. I use them since 2010 and never had a hardware issue yet.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by vintagius » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 3:52 PM UTC

Pity one can't pay using paypal.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by attheodo » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 4:09 PM UTC

We use EX4 from Hetzner along with Amazon's Cloudfront for static files and we're REALLY REALLY satisfied.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by mikehuffman » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 4:16 PM UTC

jorisw wrote: post #33

LogicX wrote: post #31

My issue with Hetzner is that by the time you add in management options necessary for a remote dedicated server, your monthly cost isn't that much better than other options. Example: To have remote KVM/IP you'd need to first pay 15EUR for their flexipack for the privilege of adding additional features. then 19EUR mo and 149 EUR setup for KVM/IP Now you're up to $122USD/mo + almost $400USD for setup. Compare to Incero…

What would you need remote KVM/IP for? If your ssh ever dies, you can reboot the thing into rescue mode, log in over remote console, fix whatever's broken, and reboot the system. I have been using an older server offer of theirs for years now, and never had to pay for anything other than the said fee.

KVM/IP is common for remote windows server admins. Sounds crazy, I know, but they are out there.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by dav-id » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 4:34 PM UTC

sek wrote: post #30

slig wrote: post #25

Do people outside EU get 19% off from VAT?

A German company would get 19% back from the Government, but AFAIK a foreign company doesn't have to pay it in the first place, so you can calculate it out. Incredible, maybe they made a mistake on their site. Hetzner has a very good reputation here in Germany, otherwise i would expect something fishy.

Within the EU you need to pay the VAT.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by nirvana » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 4:41 PM UTC

Been planning to set up a cluster with Hertzner using the EX 4, so the 4S is like getting 16GB more RAM for 10 Euros more a month. This is great news.

One thing I have wondered about is whether hosting in Germany is a good idea.

First is the latency issues. Will serving web pages to customers on the west coast of the US really suffer? (this is in the minimum viable product stage-- we're not google yet)

Secondly, I'm not all that familiar with all the laws of the EU. I don't want to run afoul of them, but I haven't found a good summary of best practices for services hosted in the EU.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by njs12345 » Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 4:44 PM UTC

nirvana wrote: post #49

Been planning to set up a cluster with Hertzner using the EX 4, so the 4S is like getting 16GB more RAM for 10 Euros more a month. This is great news. One thing I have wondered about is whether hosting in Germany is a good idea. First is the latency issues. Will serving web pages to customers on the west coast of the US really suffer? (this is in the minimum viable product stage-- we're not google yet) Secondly, I'm…

Off the top of my head, one thing you might need to worry about is privacy/data protection - the EU laws on this seem to be a bit more stringent than in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive