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Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Yeah, I saw it just a day or two ago as well and it was still there. I wonder if they're removing effects that aren't compatible across all browsers?

The relevant issue/rationale is here: https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/issues/1229 I'm glad they got rid of it. It made the buttons feel "squishy" and unresponsive.

Ah thanks for the Issue link. I was digging around last night for an official answer but couldn't find one. Thanks!

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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I did a side-by-side of a simple design when trying to choose one. Bootstrap just has better defaults with things like padding, sizing, and margins. It just looked better. Now that Bootstrap has responsive design, there's no contest.

I haven't had an experience to experiment with Bootstrap but does it handle nested grids well in fluid (Responsive) layouts? That's one of the things I liked about Foundation is that it handles nested grids well.

It seems so: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/scaffolding.html#grid-sy...

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Although - the implementations used in Bootstrap could be translated to a more semantic approach by using SASS or LESS mixins instead of classes. This is the approach used by the Susy grid system included with Compass. I see Bootstrap as a open-sourced library of tested cross-browser solutions to a reasonable set of challenges in modern front-end coding. As such I'm hoping it is possible to port a lot of it to a "sem…

I suspect it's not possible to port it to "semantic markup"

Possibly - I won't know until I've played with the code a bit. But it seems to me that Susy has brought a simple but extremely powerful idea to implementing front-end code - instead of using a presentational element and layout-related class names like "row" etc. you can use a semantically-appropriate HTML element and @include your markup via a mixin. The actual CSS implementation can be the same - it's just that it is possible to separate the semantic HTML from the presentational structure (nested selectors with included of mixins as allowed by LESS/SASS) and the CSS implementation in the generated CSS.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

Lazy question: is it easy to remove that black bar? I think it's a terrible bit of navigation for "average user" kinds of people, who will easily miss it.

This would be an easy A/B test. If you do it, I'd love to hear what you found.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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post #106

I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

Lazy question: is it easy to remove that black bar? I think it's a terrible bit of navigation for "average user" kinds of people, who will easily miss it.

It's used on Twitter, Google and Facebook (er, Blue Bar). I think the "average user" can get it.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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I suspect it's not possible to port it to "semantic markup"

Possibly - I won't know until I've played with the code a bit. But it seems to me that Susy has brought a simple but extremely powerful idea to implementing front-end code - instead of using a presentational element and layout-related class names like "row" etc. you can use a semantically-appropriate HTML element and @include your markup via a mixin. The actual CSS implementation can be the same - it's just that it i…

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what semantic HTML means. Different people seem to have different ideas about the definition of semantic HTML. Could you point me to some internet resource that explains this stuff?

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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Bootstrap is not overused; just under customized. In all fairness, what this proves is that there is a fairly large market for such packaged customization themes which are built thoughtfully and work on all resolutions.

I have filed a bug that was closed about this very thing. Bootstrap is very hard to customize because the variable color names are inane. Rather than define a palette of X many colors and then use that everywhere, bootstrap defines variables as @gray, @pink, @white, etc. If you want a light-on-dark layout, you need to redefine @gray as white, which makes no sense. I proposed names like @primaryColor, @primaryColorLig…

That's a shame - this is my main complaint about bootstrap. If you do plunge ahead and do a bunch of color customization, it also makes upgrading to new versions a pain.

Re: Bootstrap 2.0, From Twitter

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I am going to chime in being negative against the wave of positive feedback here. Twitter has done well releasing this and when I first saw it ages ago it looked neat and fairly professional. However, like a pop song which has been completely overplayed on the radio it has become tired and frankly a bit annoying. It has its uses offline to quickly get a demo up and running but it shouldn't be used on a live site. At…

I agree with this completely - it's too branded and shackles you in development. I am working right now on a solution that gives you the ability to quickly prototype with nice looking styles, but is much more flexible and modular and gets out of your way when you need it. It's going to be a pretty huge project (and will borrow some pieces from bootstrap), but will post when it's done
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